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  • apa60068 apa60068 Oct 17, 2013 4:54 PM Flag

    Does anyone know what the split-adjusted alltime high on NBG is?

    I've checked multiple sources. YF says $700+. GF says $130+. Schwab says $300+. I see the stock split twice. 1 for 5 in Nov 2011 and then 1 for 10 in May this year. Anyone have any ideas?

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    • If the stock was in fact $70 a share before the 2 reverse splits, then the first "adjustment" would have brought it (the highest price) down to $14, the next split down to $1.40. But with that said, where the stock was 3 or 4 years ago is irrelevant. A lot of things have happened and for that matter still are. The much bigger issue is how the warrant exercise might affect the stock, the first tranche is due for potential exercise in a bit over a month. The exercise price at this juncture is about 5.50 a share, so exercise looks like it will happen, then we will have to see what happens. My near term guess is to hold, but I am surprised at the upward move in such a short period of time.

      Sentiment: Hold

    • I can see there were at least 6 splits
      May 22, 2000 7 : 5 split
      May 28, 2003 11 : 10 split
      June 23, 2004 6.5 : 5 split
      May 21, 2008 1.04 : 1 split
      November 28, 2011 1:5 reverse split
      May 30, 2013 1:10 reverse split

      The highest price I see was $677.40 = $13.55 before both reverse splits or $28.21 if account for all the splits

    • They turned my 3000 share into 600 (5:1). They turned those 600 into 60 (10:1) I bought the $3000 shares at $1.36 , costing me $4,080. Those 60 shares are now worth $329. Talk about a fleecing. From a %age standpoint, by far and away the worst loser ever.

      Sentiment: Strong Buy

    • Replying again to the 1st message in this thread. (Get a load of this... Wow... We're all blind...)
      1. I'm writing this now on a "Message Board" page in which this particular thread is displayed on a tab at the center of the page. The "caption" ("Does anyone know...") of this thread is partially displayed on the tab above the message-composition box in which I'm writing this reply. To my right is a thumbnail 5-day NBG price chart at the top of the page's right column, an advertisement's below the chart, and a two-column table of hyperlinked text captions is below the ads. The table's captioned "MORE LINKS." Notice "Historical Prices." Does it seem relevant? Hang on. There's more.
      2. On any "non-message board" page for NBG here in Yahoo Finance (e.g. in the Quotes, Charts, News & Info, Company, or other content categories) there's a "navigation panel" where it's shown on most Web pages: in the left-most column. The panel's captioned "More on NBG." (OK, yeah, in my case that should be "Moron NBG"...) Again, notice the hyperlinked listing for "Historical Prices." It's the last of the four listings in the top section of the Table of Contents type navigation panel. Left-click that link and you'll find that it gives you SUPERB information which seems to be exactly what you're seeking. These historical UNADJUSTED price data can be downloaded as Excel spreadsheet content. The're shown in tabular format and they begin on 10-20-99. At the bottom of the table on the top page left-click the hyperlinked word "Last." That takes you to the START of the table, which is formatted in ascending, not descending chronological order. (Oldest items are at the bottom of the table.) This site doesn't permit table formatting in forum msgs, but, with spaces and underline characters used to separate the columns, here's the title row plus the four oldest rows of UNADJUSTED & adj prices. (For once I'm impressed by YF. Wow): Due to character limit, table in next msg

      • 1 Reply to jeffreylhook
      • (Following mine which ended with: "Due to character limit, table in next msg.")

        Here are the last four rows (with the repeating "title row") of the "Historical Prices" table, showing the oldest prices. BRAVO Yahoo Finance. Wow:

        Date __ Open __ High __ Low __ Close __ Volume __ Adj Close*

        Oct 25, 1999 __ 13.50 __ 13.63 __ 13.37 __ 13.44 __ 5,600 __ 270.00
        Oct 22, 1999 __ 13.50 __ 13.63 __ 13.37 __ 13.37 __ 5,400 __ 268.74
        Oct 21, 1999 __ 13.94 __ 13.94 __ 13.44 __ 13.50 __ 6,100 __ 271.25
        Oct 20, 1999 __ 14.00 __ 14.19 __ 13.94 __ 14.00 __ 8,400 __ 281.30

        * Close price adjusted for dividends and splits.

        I think this case is closed.

    • I remember researching this before the 1:10 split happened. Before the 1:10 split the charts showed NBG's all time highas roughly 70$ and after the split the charts converted it by multiplying by 10 and the charts now show an all time high of roughly 700$. By my math 700\10 (the 1:10) split = 70 .. And 70/5 (the 1:5) = 14... So technically before the 1:10 and 1:5 the all time high was $14. But at the time it was at 14$ pps the same amt of volume and buying it took to get there, because of the splits and amt if shares that change with each split if we had the same level of volume and buying etc. as there was when it was 14$ a share we would be at 700$ a share
      If you disagree with my math I'm sorry that is simply my logic to it

    • $680.00 per share

      • 1 Reply to gerryfinesse
      • "$680.00 per share"

        That sure as shootin' doesn't look like it's been adjusted for TWO reverse splits, which apa tells us were 1:5 in 11-11 and which we all know very well was just 1:10 in this past May. Is there anybody with a good knowledge of the relevant mathematics, who can explain the dilution which these major reverse splits cause, in terms that mathphobes could understand? Would be an important lesson for all of us.

    • "Anyone have any ideas?"

      1. The bank's English-language Website ain't gonna win any "Webby" awards, but is it possible that the bank's own site might report these details, maybe in its archive of past press releases?

      2. Would this information be recorded in the US SEC's EDGAR online searchable database of past filings?

      3. The English-language pages of the Athens Stock Exchange don't seem likely to provide this information, but have you checked?

      4. There's gotta be some type of trading-oriented/financial Website which provides this type of historical information. This information is important. For a while I was making the preposterous assumption that IRE would eventually recover much of its supposed pre-crash peak price of $984.60 in 2-07. Then I learned that, in fact, the actual "historical" high price before the crash had only been €18.25 in that same month... Whoops... Big difference, there...

      • 1 Reply to jeffreylhook
      • PS to mine about possible sources of information. Somebody may want to try this search "string" in Google Web's Basic Search interface. This uses quotation marks for "exact phrases, the tilde (~) for synonyms, and the Boolean Operator "OR" for alternative forms of portions of the "string." It produced 60 citations, and some of them may have some value:

        ~stock OR ~investment OR ~trading "past prices" "adjusted for splits" OR "split adjusted" OR "split adjustments"