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  • taxnerd50 taxnerd50 Apr 14, 2012 8:39 PM Flag

    ITIN question for the group

    POLITICS ASIDE: How does a person, (probably undocumented) file a tax return if they work under a different name and if by the definition of the residence and income test are required to file, (yes the income was obtained illegally because they are working under a different name that aside) how do they file a tax return? POLITICS ASIDE, any suggestions?

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    • I have two suggestions:
      1. Have the employer 'correct' the W-2 so that the name matches his documents.
      2. If the employer won't or can't, then I would file a Schedule C. After the ITIN is received, then I would amend the tax return with the substitute W2 and void the Schedule C. Then let the IRS process it. If they reject the amended, fine, the filer still did his tax duty. If they accept it, then he gets refunded the difference. And he's got his ITIN.

    • Folks, there are some states that are "stand alone" states and there are others that are "piggy back" states. Do not assume that just because your state does it one way, that every state in the nation does the same thing. For example, in California, you can efile a state return and paper file your federal. The two are not connected.

    • louie, this thread has gone on too long with people posting about different aspects of efile. Since I'm the one who started it, I feel the need to clarify it so we're all talking about the same thing.

      You are correct that typically the federal and state returns are efiled together. If the federal rejects, that stops the state from being efiled as well. (Although some posters here have seen states accept even after the fed rejected, I never have.) In the software I'm familiar with, you can then suppress the creation of the federal efile and just file the state by itself. The federal is turned into a paper return.

      So yes, it is possible to efile a state without the federal, although maybe not in TPS.

    • that may be the case but all i can tell you that in my 20 years of doing tax,s and over 80,000 tax returns i have never seen that i can only go by what has happened to me and to the people in my office and other things i have seen over the years not once has a return been accepted from the state when that return was filed with the federal and the feds if i understand things forward that return to the states and if the feds reject it do they send that rejected return to the states it may be the case that we fix the returns so fast that we dont see it i dont have any contacts with the irs to find out if what you say is true. I dont know why the irs would send the return out to the states if they reject it.

    • who said i worked for block and you do enjoy putting people down you didnt respond to my question you only had one thought how can you make someone try to feel bad guess you dont have any other job besides writing on message boards and no the company i work for dont have the ability to send state returns with out a federal return i know there are software out there that files just a state and no federal but once again how do you get a state return accepted when the federal was rejected it had to be a seperate return and not filed at the same time

    • > taxprep, while I have to assume you thought you were correcting someone, for their own good, <

      I was not attempting to correct Louie for his own good. I attempted to discourage him from further posting here for my own good, as an HRB employee who might benefit from not having it look to potential new clients who happen to read this board that someone who can't write, or does not appear that he feels any need to write, at a level that would let him get past the fourth grade, could actually have been working for HRB as a tax return preparer for 20 years.

      > there are unspoken rules in communication.
      Not going for the juggler vein is one of them. <

      Based on Louie's continuing to write the way he does, after having others comment on the quality of his efforts, I doubt he feels as if my messages to him constitute "going for the jugular vein", and anticipate that the result will amount to less than tapping him on the shoulder and pointing out that his shoelaces are untied.

      > Would you tell a fat lady how fat she is, that it's an embarrassment to be seen in public with her? <

      If you were a man who sold diet aids for a living and had a fat wife, would you want her appearing with you when speaking before a group of potential customers? Would you do whatever it took to avoid that happening?

      > Telling some one to stop posting because you have a problem with needing perfection, was not only unkind, but a bit snobbish. <

      I have no need for perfection. I see nothing wrong with suggesting that someone who is an embarrassment to himself, his employer (my employer), and his fellow employees (including me) stop doing what he has been doing if he is unable or unwilling to do it in a more acceptable manner.

      > Louie has been posting for years and has made some very valued points and has every right to post any time he wants. I rather have someone with good social manners, than someone who wants to be the Nazi police on spelling and grammar. <

      Of course Louie has a right to post here, but because one is permitted to do something does not mean one should do it, and I am not the first or only poster to complain about Louie's posts and the impression they may create on someone considering the purchase of HRB stock or who is investigating whether an HRB taxpro may be a suitable choice to do his tax return.

      > Learn to put posters on ignore when it bothers you, as I shall now put you on ignore for insulting someone you don't even know, but deemed he needed your corrections! <

      My putting Louie on ignore would not hide his posts from others. If your putting me on ignore hides my posts from you, it will neither concern nor bother me in the least.

    • taxprep, while I have to assume you thought you were correcting someone, for their own good, there are unspoken rules in communication.
      Not going for the juggler vein is one of them.
      Would you tell a fat lady how fat she is, that it's an embarrassment to be seen in public with her?
      Telling some one to stop posting because you have a problem with needing perfection, was not only unkind, but a bit snobbish.

      Louie has been posting for years and has made some very valued points and has every right to post any time he wants. I rather have someone with good social manners, than someone who wants to be the Nazi police on spelling and grammar.
      Learn to put posters on ignore when it bothers you, as I shall now put you on ignore for insulting someone you don't even know, but deemed he needed your corrections!

    • "in my years of doing tax,s I have never seen a fed reject followed up by a acceptance state return and I mean efiling not mailing them in." (louie)

      Louie - I don't know what software you are using or for which states you file returns but I have already had 3 this year where the Federal return was rejected and the State return was accepted. Two of them were for identity theft reasons - I can't remember what the 3rd one was. Another common situation which has happened in my practice (in the past - not this year) is the reject which occurs when the child is claimed as a dependent by his/her parents after the child has already filed a return. It results in a federal reject but not a state reject - probably because the child didn't file a return with the state.

    • > Mr Taxpreparat while Louie (and others)has a obvious "axe to grind" your condescending post serves little purpose. <


      The intended purpose is to get Louie to stop posting on a public board where his messages should be enough to make any potential tax client who reads them question whether an H&R Block tax return preparer can be trusted to shine one's shoes, far less prepare an accurate tax return for anything beyond the most basic situations.

      My efforts at getting Louie to stop posting will likely not succeed, but at least I tried. If he learns, even temporarily, that every word that ends in an "s" should not have the "s" preceded by a comma, used mistakenly in place of what would be an also mistakenly used apostrophe, I will have succeeded beyond my wildest dreams.

    • Mr Taxpreparat while Louie (and others)has a obvious "axe to grind" your condescending post serves little purpose.

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