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  • cadmium_telluride cadmium_telluride Oct 14, 2013 1:23 AM Flag

    China's Coal Mines Are Costing ONE Million Lives Per Year, Not 1400!

    Counting only coal mine accidents, China's coal mines costs 1400 lives per year.

    But that's just the tip of the iceberg. The iceberg is under China's inferior coal mine working condition, it is a guarantee that any one work in those coal mines will get Black Lung decease and die from it eventually.

    Black lung is when you suck in coal dusts and they accumulate in your lung, they gradually destroys your lung over time and you die a very miserable death, unable to breathe. But very conservative estimate, there are 6 million to ten million existing "dust lung" decease patients in China, most of which are former coal miners. If these people can expect to survive an average of 5 years before ultimately dying, we are talking about 1.2 million deaths per year. I would attribute ONE MILLION deaths per year to China's coal mines.

    When China runs out of ignorant people willing to die for a moderate salary, China will have to turn to rely more on foreign coal, as domestic coal mines collapse due to exhaust of labor.

    Sentiment: Strong Buy

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    • Do people think ONE MILLION LIVES LOST per year to Chinese coal mining, is a small and trivial number that is not even worth mentioning? Do you think China has an infinite supply of cheap lives to feed its coal industry? Do you think it is sustainable, and China does not need to rely more on imports and cut its own domestic coal production?

      It's a sad fact. But it is incredibly bullish for international coal producers, especially US coal producers.

      Sentiment: Strong Buy

    • There is NO dispute that China's own domestic coal industry is collapsing, providing tremendous opportunity for coal producers across the pacific. It is extremely bullish to the global coal market, especially the US coal, consider that China's annual coal consumption is 4 billion tons, yet China's electricity consumption is still 1/5 of American's, on a per capital basis.

      Several factors one must consider:

      1. Some years ago China can produce its own coal dirt cheap and dump them into international market because Chinese coal producers still can make a profit at much cheaper than international coal price.

      2. Today domestic coal price is higher than international price. But domestic producers are complaining that they can not make a profit, at coal price ten times higher than 15 years ago. Why they were profitable 15 years ago at 1/10 the price but non-profitable today at ten times higher price? Because China's coal is depleting fast. The remainder is much harder and costs much more to dig.

      3. China's relentless supply of cheap labor from excessive rural population, has DRIED UP. For decades, China's young rural poor rushed out of the villages into cities, to provide the kind of fresh cheap labor force to drive 8% to 10% growth year after year. Due to one child policy, and due to finite population. Finally we are at a point that there is no young man left in the rural area and no new fresh labor force to migrate to city.

      4. China coal mines now have to pay more than 10,000 yuan per month to recruit new coal miners, five times the going salary of typical city migrant workers. People realize the danger of black lung decease and refuse to die from working in the dusty coal mines.

      5. The average depth of China's coal mines increases 20 meters deeper each year. Now the average has reached 600 meters deep, or 2000 feet deep.

      6. China's coal is mostly located under the Loess Plateau. The soft yellow soil means coal mines are easy to dig when shallow, but extremely..

      Sentiment: Strong Buy

      • 3 Replies to cadmium_telluride
      • Just wanted to add Walter coal company has two mines that deep . No. 4 and No. 7, are two of the deepest vertical shaft coal mines in North America at nearly 2,000 feet deep. If you want something bad about China coal this is it.

        And as China’s nuclear and coal sectors battle over the sites where the radioactive heavy metal lies buried, experts say the uranium is accidentally ending up in coal-fired power stations
        - creating radioactive ash that is falling on surrounding cities.

        One Canadian firm that declined to be interviewed has built a plant near one coal-fired power station in Yunnan to collect the uranium from the ash…..
        The deposits in Ili in Xinjiang and Erdos in Inner Mongolia were described as “world-class” and “mega-sized” in recent reports by state media.

        The problem is these rich veins of uranium are buried between thick belts of coal.

        Song Xuebin, former head of China National Nuclear Corporation
        (CNNC)’s 821 Factory that produces uranium fuel, has filed a complaint
        with the Chinese People’s Political Consultative Conference.

        He alleged the coal mines were encroaching on the uranium deposits.
        “These basins contained oil, gas, coal and uranium,” he wrote. “Due to
        its large scale and high speed of construction, coal mining will soon
        bring huge destruction to uranium resources. It will also cause the
        environment to suffer radioactive pollution.”

        Professor Gu Zhongmao, of the China Institute of Atomic Energy and a
        top adviser to CNNC, said that balancing the interests of the two
        different energy sectors was proving a headache for the central
        government…….
        The environmental hazards caused by radioactive ash has been kept quiet.

        Yin Lianqing, environment professor at North China Electric Power
        University, said that he conducted some tests in a few cities to
        monitor the radiation levels in neighbourhoods near coal-fired power
        plants, and got alarming results.

        “We have found some instances of very high exposure, hundreds of times
        higher than what you

      • 7. Chinese coal mines under the Loess Plateau go 20 meters deeper each year. They have now reached an average depth of 600 meters, or 2000 feet below ground.

        That poses a serious problem. The Loess Plateau, otherwise known as Yellow Soil Plateau, is composed of very soft and fine soil with no rock in it. Such soil is very easy to dig, when you are not digging very deep.

        But as you reach a certain depth, the soft soil can NOT support any cavern structure. They easily cave in, under the tremendous HUGE pressure from the soil layers above. At 600 meters deep, you are talking about a pressure which is 200 times higher than atmospheric pressure. You have 30,000 pounds of force crashing on each square inch of area. How could the soil layer support such pressure and keep the cavern open?

        This is why it is extremely difficult and costly to go even deeper in China's coal mines.

        When domestic production dries up, China has to massively import more coal.

        Sentiment: Strong Buy

      • You are so right. The typical Chinese migrant worker rather be making Apple product in China than work in the coal mines. Even if working for Apple may stimulate them to jump off the roof of the building.

    • Collapse of China's coal industry, due to depletion of labor force willing to DIE, is extremely good news to foreign coal industry including the US coal industry.

      • 1 Reply to carynxfmaffenini
      • Precisely. And don't think it takes long for China's coal industry to collapse. It is already happening.

        The entire Chinese private coal sector was owed 300 billion yuans of receivable, money that should be paid to them for coal they sold, but money they never received. Mean while, Chinese coal miners are owed a lot of salary that should have been paid to them ten or twelve months ago for their labor, because their bosses do not have the cash to pay!

        Do you think these coal miners will continue to work without pay and without food? Do you think the coal bosses will continue to supply coal without getting paid? And do you think banks will continue to loan the coal bosses money to keep them liquidated? NO!

        Sentiment: Strong Buy

    • Collapse of China's coal industry, due to depletion of labor force willing to DIE, is extremely good news to foreign coal industry including the US coal industry.

      As I indicated, coal dust decease kills over ONE MILLION Chinese coal miners per year. Due to poor working conditions and poor ventilation in Chinese coal mines. You HAVE to gasp for oxygen when you are deep in the coal hole digging coal. You HAVE to sock in a lot of coal dusts. These coal dusts WILL stay in your lung permanently destroying your lung and destroying your life over time. So coal dust decease is GUARANTEED.

      Any one with basic knowledge will NOT want to work in a Chinese coal mine, no matter how high they pay. Evidence is that people start to LEARN the danger of coal mine works. A recent Chinese coal mine recruit notice indicates that they are paying up to 15,000 yuan per month, to freshman coal miners, on top of all benefits and insurances. That's US$2500 per month, a pretty decent monthly salary even in the USA. Typical Chinese migrant construction workers in the city gets paid 2000 to 3000 yuan per month, or $335 to $500 per month, for a comparison.

      Why they are willing to pay freshmen coal miners US$2500 per month who would otherwise earn only $500 per month doing other jobs in the city? Because NO ONE WANTS to work in a Chinese coal mine and then die from black lung a few years later, no matter how high the salary. People have learned when they see whole villages died from coal dust black lungs.

      Sentiment: Strong Buy

      • 3 Replies to cadmium_telluride
      • The collapse of China's domestic coal industry happens FASTER than I thought.

        China still has some coal, buried deeper than 1000 meters. But being under the Loess Plateau, otherwise known as the Yellow Soil Plateau, it is extremely difficult to dig that deep to access the coal. Because you know what, the soft soil is easy to dig when it is not too deep. But easily collapses when it gets too deep and the pressure underground becomes too much for the soil to support.

        Any way you put, China has to massively rely on coal imports in the next few years.

        That is very bullish for US coal producers.

        Sentiment: Strong Buy

      • Oh boy, here we go again. CT, (and I don't mean cat scan, although it wouldn't hurt).....I'm a long but I again I can't express how ridiculous your post is. People will never buy this stock in response to your posts about people turning down premium salary in China. Although it can be compared to mercenary work, the demand and prize will always outweigh the danger. China is many years behind the developed world at this point and Govt. Officials are content with that as long as they can control everyone and they have very little sympathy for human suffering if any whatsoever. Chinese Officials send their families to live abroad, get educated, and live a better life while they continue to poison the air and suppress the people. They send their under-the -table, ill-gotten gains to their families so they can hide the fruits of their corruption and all plan to join them one day. The illegal money is hard to give up though and many don't make it out themselves as their illegal ties and partners hold them in place. I don't think you know very much about China. For example if you loose your ID which is given out by Province, and you go to the Govt. Office that deals with this, the person there will find many reasons why it can not be done for example your records seem to be lost or they are not showing up in the system, blah blah blah until you return a few times and realize that only the offering of some money to them will expedite your request, it goes on all the time in every everything. Police are seen on the streets, mostly on motorcycle, but people are constantly being pick-pocketed, harassed, surrounded by street thugs and the policeman will turn a blind eye because at the end of the day he gets his cut. And on and on it goes.......................tourists, and anybody dressed decently is a good target, cellphones are also sought after in great demand. Do you really know China?

        Sentiment: Strong Buy

      • Are you starting with this nonsense again? No workers in China to mine coal? Yeah sure and I heard they stopped drinking tea also. Cadium, if you had no food and no future and children home starving with no clothes on their backs, guess what? You too would jump in that freakin hole in a heartbeat. Get REAL!!!

        Sentiment: Strong Buy

    • The point being if you look at all the aspects, China's coal industry is unsustainable and is collapsing:

      It runs out of coal reserves.

      It runs out of water needed.

      It runs out of cheap labor who are willing to die to dig for coal.

      It runs out of usury debts it borrows to expand the coal industry recklessly.

      Collapse of China's own coal industry, is welcomed good news for overseas coal producers.

      Sentiment: Strong Buy

    • China calls it population control.

      Sentiment: Strong Sell

    • cadium, have you been to China? There are people lying on cardboard boxes without legs in the big cities begging for money. And guess what, they had their legs cut off to support their families. This is a fact. Do you still think that they will be afraid to mine coal at a decent wage? Dummy

      • 3 Replies to makemy2005
      • He watched "China Today" on TV the other night.

        Sentiment: Strong Sell

      • Ha. Cadmium got you. People would rather cut both legs off and beg in the street than work in a coal mine.

      • There are people in even worse shape in China. But as you can see, they would rather prefer begging in the street, than to work in a Chinese coal mine.

        Typically, the new coal miners they can recruit are people who absolutely know nothing about how deadly black lung decease is. They come from poor villages, work a few years in the coal mine, bring some money home to marry a girl and start a family, and then they begin to get progressively sick and die in a few years. The treatment is to flush the lung to merely relief the pain and suffering. One round of lung flushing costs more than ten years worth of their coal mine salary. So the accumulated salary earned is not even worse part of the medical bill that will incur. Worse, the death comes slow and painful. At the end you die in an knelt-down position, because that's the only position to make you feel a little bit bearable. Do you understand what it is like to not been able to breathe? Each breathe is a difficult struggle that requires the full physical strength of your body.

        Would you work in a Chinese coal mine for five years if I offer you six figure salary, in dollars?

        Sentiment: Strong Buy

    • You must be smoking those 7-leaf clovers again. You can bet where there is money being offered, somebody will work. Worse case scenario is that the wages are raised minimally to cover the demand for the labor needed at best. That is the most ignorant post I have read in years,

      • 1 Reply to runliftaction
      • It's just Cad getting more desperate and more extreme. He's broke, and I'm not even sure this identity isn't a group of people perpetuating lies by the fact that this e-mail shows a distinct foreign slant in the improper grammar as opposed to other e-mails in which the syntax is flawless. The only consistent thing about this 'Cad-turd' is that this person is trying to convince good folks to loser their hard earned money by investing foolishly in a sector that's rolled over for the last 2 years and he's insisted he's gone -full in' on more than one occasion. You can be long coal, but tired of him and his rantings and bee-ess; he just needs to go away. That's all I want for x-mas, a Cadmium-free board. Of course, this pathetic loser will just use one of his other identities, he's too narcissistic to leave entirely.

    • george_bush_is_a_loser george_bush_is_a_loser Oct 21, 2013 10:57 AM Flag

      Coal is bad for environment in China!!

      "Air pollution in the city of Harbin in northeastern China has forced officials to close the airport, cancel some public bus routes and suspend some school classes.

      BEIJING — Choking smog all but shut down one of northeastern China's largest cities on Monday, forcing schools to suspended classes, snarling traffic and closing the airport, in the country's first major air pollution crisis of the winter.

      An index measuring PM2.5, or particulate matter with a diameter of 2.5 micrometers (PM2.5), reached a reading of 1,000 in some parts of Harbin, the gritty capital of northeastern Heilongjiang province and home to some 11 million people.

      A level above 300 is considered hazardous, while the World Health Organisation recommends a daily level of no more than 20.

      The smog not only forced all primary and middle schools to suspend classes, but shut the airport and some public bus routes, the official Xinhua news agency reported, blaming the emergency on the first day of the heating being turned on in the city for winter. Visibility was reportedly reduced to 10 meters."

    • Or, just tell their comrades that they have been selected for working in the coal mines as the great leaders envision it necessary. Don't worry though, the great leaders have also decided to give you affordable health care!

      Sentiment: Hold

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