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  • joschmoe joschmoe Mar 16, 2009 11:57 AM Flag

    Count on $4 million more coming in.

    The funds who have a chance to convert to equity have all the more pressure to do it now that the PPS is climbing. This is a win-win for COIN as revenues ramp up AND outstanding debt is simultaneously reduced.

    I can't imagine they'd rather hold the bonds when the SP is making such moves. Presuming it stays in this range, they'll have 20 days to think things over and GET IN.

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    • RE: The funds who have a chance to convert to equity have all the more pressure to do it now that the PPS is climbing. This is a win-win for COIN as revenues ramp up AND outstanding debt is simultaneously reduced.

      I can't imagine they'd rather hold the bonds when the SP is making such moves. Presuming it stays in this range, they'll have 20 days to think things over and GET IN.

    • This could very easily be above $ 3 by year end and if all goes well $6 in 2010.

      Great buy at this price !

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    • Joe,

      I like your analysis as it has some very good points. Thanks.

      I will however reserve judgement until we have volume exceeding several hundred thousand shares per day, like today before I'm all-in.

      I give Mr. Gildea credit for getting this week off to a good start. What will really convince me however is what he will do to SUSTAIN this pps as a new base of support that ramps upward.

      Has Mr. Gildea got what it takes? I'm still on the fence, but watching intently. He has YET to impress me with his iron-handed management style and especially the secrecy. I'm a shareholder and demand truth. When I see no news, I worry about volume erosion. I think everyone should be sensitive to this and email Mr. Gildea to provide him with our sentiment and the reasons behind it.

      I also would like to see a video PR of the plant. Why all the secrecy? I'd like to hear Mr. Bayliss talk. After all, without Mr. Bayliss, shut the doors and file chapter 7, because no judge in his right mind would let you reorganize under chapter 11.

      So Mr. Gildea, how will you mitigate the inherent business risk that you have solely created? What does Mr. Aleo think?

      If you think that is arrogant, consider the fact that I own a piece of the company and you work for me sir. Never forget that.

      Ski

    • And while I'm speculating...

      I imagine the funds would also rotate somewhat out of shares available to sell to lock in this profit (didn't they pick up some along the way that do not have to be held for 6 months?). Net effect: they take some profit on shares already in and rotate debt out to lock in their discount before they lose it.

      This would be a good thing: Provides some dips for newbies to buy into and reduces the funds' voting block for later. Very hypothetical... I'm just guessing.

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      • I'm gonna mention something else here to follow-up on the concepts I mentioned earlier re: Debt Conversion. It's a good thing...but I don't want to put it out there without the disclaimer, first, that I understand the effect that a drop in SP would have. My earlier posts dealt with that, so I'll just reference them, before I begin, for that possibility.

        For this new point, I want to note the "big picture" of the rotations I mentioned in the first two posts on this thread. Presuming the bondholders convert, which I believe they should if the SP continues to show this muscle, and presuming two rotations: one out of any sellable shares to lock in gain and the other out of debt and into equity, here's my thought:

        In a year or two from now, the net effect will have been that the bondholders effected a CAPITAL RAISING for COIN. Although COIN initially gives them shares to pay down debt, they then pass the shares on to retail investors through the marketplace. The net effect that COIN raises $4 million capital, though indirectly. They "sell" shares to the bondholders, who then sell at a profit to retail investors.

        Presuming things take off, as I hope they will, in retrospect (and presuming a much higher SP), the bondholders will have received a great return for placing shares into the market. COIN will have exitted the toughest part of development stage (max construction costs/min revenues) without incurring "bank" debt. When stage 2 hits, i.e. Rhode Island plant, they should be generating good revenue and have minimal debt. Pause here and think about what that means. That's a HUGE plus!

        If the SP hits high enough at that stage, conversion of warrants could do the same thing at the second stage: build Plants 2 and 3, with much smaller dilution.

        I don't want to scare newbies with all this dilution talk. This really only concerns those of us who got in at a much higher price. Getting in at $1-$2, as anyone can now, would be an absolute STEAL in retrospect.

 
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