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Odyssey Marine Exploration Inc. Message Board

  • proexpjared proexpjared Mar 25, 2012 1:36 PM Flag

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    G spot diveable for at least the next week... this is really great news. Given the high probability that the silver is there, more time means a higher likelihood that Odyssey will get video, have a more concrete recovery plan, etc. Given the nature of the site (steel hull, cargo holds, etc) a week should give them time for a pretty thorough inspection! =)

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    • In further consideration, Several different size bars may present. This board has indicated in many different citations a multitude of weights and bar counts. Some mention ingots. With Silver being an industrial precious metal (uses in solder and welding applications as well as Electronics) I could imagine that some of the ingots could be very sizable. I am not suggesting randomly weighted bars but a few different standardizations that exist given the multiple sourcing entities. For example the refined silver would exist in a standard size where as the unrefined silver would be in a much larger raw cast forged ingot. I believe this may account for much of the fuzzy math ie the differences in the total yield of the shipment. This board gives a range of 3-7 million oz on board.

    • Estimate guess 7,000,0000oz/3000 bars approx = 2500oz which is approx 150lbs. 1000 oz bar still about 40-50lbs each. My illustration was more for demonstrating the obstacles of storage and not to be a factual representation. Thanks

    • Tid

      You previously said there was existing location and video of Gairsoppa before Odyssey began searching. Can you tell us who handled that?

    • I don't understand your concern over security issues. The wreck is more than three miles down, out of reach of anyone not having the most sophisticated recovery equipment. I do agree that it wouldn't be appropriate for you to disclose it depending on how you acquired the info.

    • Hey, booger, where did you get the 2500 oz per bar info? Maybe I missed it, but all I've read says 1000 oz bars.

    • I heard James Cameron is going to take his lime green sub down to the G and plunder it before omex gets a chance...






      ;-)

    • It's not exactly a loading diagram. It's more of a loading order. The documents indicate which cargo-holds the cargo is loaded. Not just the silver, but each type of cargo. They probably have this but don't want to disclose it because of security issues. Yes I have it, no I'm not offering it to the message board. Same reason, it's not appropriate for me to disclose it.

    • "This whole line of thinking is really an exercise of imagination and is meant to be thought provoking and not as a condemnation to anyone" That might truly be the smartest sentence I've ever read on this or any other message board.Within that sentence is the "ESSENCE" of what these boards were mean't to be.,

      In keeping with the silver bar stacking theme >>>

      In this story the silver ingots were "placed" in the cargo hold and then when transferred to a ship that could more easily and effectively ply the shallow waters of the passageway.They were then STACKED IN MANNER of cordwood on the foredeck." If you follow the rest of the story it does lend to the perception that stacking them (not in a container) could cause more shifting as the ship moved through the water;I was in humongous waves myself on a destroyer,a frigate and a guided missile cruiser the necessity to strap everything down was mandatory.(*no exceptions allowed)Everything becomes a missile on board if not tied down,locked down or stowed properly.It would be possible to stack in a room in such a way that would not matter if the silver shifted somewhat either because of the size of the room(small enough to prevent a lot of movement) or the way it was stacked ///or the "type" of surface of he deck it was stacked on.

      http://books.google.com/books?id=SQW9xPnR3EkC&pg=PA97&lpg=PA97&dq=THE+LOST+SILVER+BARS+IN+ARTHUR+KILL&source=bl&ots=G-CbTBNBe1&sig=i5v0cuGQ1LkDRyoyYOz3cBDO79w&hl=en&sa=X&ei=yQVzT7jGJumW2AX6vNjMDg&sqi=2&ved=0CH4Q6AEwBg#v=onepage&q=THE%20LOST%20SILVER%20BARS%20IN%20ARTHUR%20KILL&f=false

    • A thoughtful and considerate post.
      Thank YOU, boog.

    • I am not certain that stacking silver bars would be acceptable. As people have explained these bars are heavy. approx 2500 oz each or 150 lbs. The weight of a man that occupies the volume of a shoe box. In loading a transoceanic vessel one would possibly need to account for swell on the 20-50 ft range and (just guessing here) a trip around the horn of Africa. Granted the Garisoppa is a large vessel, its no aircraft carrier. If one of those bars got loose it could severely injure or even kill crew members. Therefore they would have been secured with more than a covering. I still favor a crate. I would suspect that we cannot assume that the shipping industry of the 1940's had the same packaging technology that we assume as common place of the modern era. In fact, almost all rope at that time would have been made of natural fibers. Furthermore, the cargo bays have been shown to have very little disturbance after surviving a 3 mile journey to the bottom of the ocean as well as a torpedo blast. The exemplifies the the care and skill in securing each of the cargo holds. This whole line of thinking is really an exercise of imagination and is meant to be thought provoking and not as a condemnation to anyone. Even if silver bars are not clearly seen by the current investigative journey of the Explorer, I am hoping that we will get some photographic evidence that will help foster further insightful conversation. Thanks ALL

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