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  • struftepete struftepete Feb 16, 2011 7:52 AM Flag

    Jinhua battery charging/replacement stations

    From the article below, we can assume that the budget has now been approved for construction of the other charging / replacement stations. Reference is made to the SGCC Hangzhou model ....
    Does it mean that the charging and replacement equipment will be identical to what is used in the Hangzhou Old Hill Road EV Charging / Replacement Station?

    That would be a blow in the face of Kandi....
    We have no interest to see further promotion Electrical Taxis from Haima or Zotye.

    I tried to get a phone contact with the Jinhua Power Authority but wasn't successful till now.
    May be some of the China based Chinese speaking board members can try to contact this guys and figure out:
    - if the 6 stations will be ready for service by the end of June as originally planned or later.
    - how Kandi's cars will be served in Jinhua by these SGCC EV stations?

    http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=zh-CN&u=http://zjdaily.zjol.com.cn/qjwb/html/2011-02/16/content_712985.htm%3Fdiv%3D-1&ei=BL5bTZbKGo6ivQPz7pSvDQ&sa=X&oi=translate&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CDAQ7gEwADgU&prev=/search%3Fq%3D%2522%25E7%2594%25B5%25E6%25B1%25A0%25E6%259B%25B4%25E6%258D%25A2%25E7%25AB%2599%2522%26start%3D20%26hl%3Den%26lr%3Dlang_zh-CN%26sa%3DN%26tbs%3Dqdr:w,lr:lang_1zh-CN%26prmd%3Divns

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    • Yes, the EV Stations are QBEx.
      A lot has happened since the end of January that speaks fully in the advantage of KNDI.
      Read my article in SA to understand more.
      In Part 1 of that article you can see picture of a modified electric forklift with precision steering that was developed by the SGCC and KNDI to perform QBEx and battery handling.
      Besides there are more and more documents from the government and representative authorities that prove QBEx is there to stay and that the EV station model from Hangzhou will be replicated all over Zheijiang and China.
      It doesn't mean that the government doesn't want charging poles as there is a document spurring the EV model cities to build enough charge poles but most of these charge poles will be for slow charging and the build-out of the charge pole infrastructure is going to take a long time.
      Just think how the power gets to the charge pole and from where.
      O&M as well as safety for charge poles is also an issue and it will increase their operation cost versus the system for battery swapping. Anyway, the battery swap model secures lower capex and operation cost as the depreciation of the expensive Li-ion batteries, as well as the charge-discharge infrastructure for the centralized charging stations can be partly depreciated through the Smart Grid where they also have an energy storage function.
      And don't forget that the initial capex for the EV buyer is much higher if she/he needs to buy the car including the Li-on batteries.
      In this thread there was a link to an article from SGERI which is worth re-reading: http://www.sgeri.sgcc.com.cn/english/Center/Viewpoints/90236.shtml

    • Any update to this thread? Do we know if the Ev stations being are qbex? And if so do they support other car manufacturers?

    • Struft, I stand corrected. You are right the battery sizes are different.

    • Kandi is "Jasmine" friendly :).....


      THE Chinese Government, rattled by protests sweeping the Middle East, swung into action yesterday to quash online calls for a "jasmine revolution" on the streets of Beijing and 12 other cities across the country.

      http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/world/jasmine-revolution-to-fight-on-despite-internet-crackdown/story-e6frg6so-1226009250830

    • Spot on! Ergo, the recent and growing uproar of the worlds proletariat :)

    • Just as logic doesn't always prevail in the USA! Look at Ethanol subsidies due to Iowa's effect on Presidential elections, the massive amount of Natural Gas we refuse to take advantage of, etc.

      Whenever there are politicians and big $$ involved, one has to accept the possibility that logic will have very little to do with the final decision.

    • Let's say that I hope you're right..about SGCC allowing the Kandi QBR model to be applied in Jinhua! Kandi deserves it!

      About your point 1) have a look to the video link that Corstrat posted some time ago. The batteries used by Kandi are the black ones and you can clearly see that these are a lot smaller then the green SGCC standard batteries that are stacked in the next rack.

    • So if thats true why do they have a joint venture in Jinhua with KNDI. If it is all over China, Why in Jinhua do we have an undisputed 30% stake in the Battery charge facilities with State Grid. So State grid has a stake in Jinhua with KNDI at quick change battery facilities. So they impossed KNDI model in Jinhua ????????????? Im sure we will charge all sorts of batteries for the 6 dollar chargeing fee.

    • Strufte, Appreciate your research. However in the case of Jinhua, the first battery battery station which supports Kandi's QBR has already been built. Kandi's cars have already been sold on the commitment that battery change will be convenient location-wise.

      Even if you are right about SGCC's standards, the only way they can implement it in Jinhua is to offer both QBR methods in their EV stations. After all:
      1) the batteries are the same size, using the same storage space and transportation (to charging station) means.
      2) Kandi's QBR tools are cheap pallet / batteryjacks which do not require a lot of space and special positioning (unlike the SGCC robotic arms) and
      3) they are intuitive to use with minimal training

      On the last point, don't you think that manouvering those bulky robotic arms (SGCC's QBR) in the confines of a normal sedan car requires some skill to avoid accidental damage? Do you think that it is at all practical manouvering them within a micro car? Let's face it, micro cars are going to form a large segment of China's EV market for reasons of cost and practicality in China's crowded cities. I think Kandi may be the most viable solution.

    • You wrote: So Hangzhou and Zhejiang are the pilot cases and the "best practice" forms the model to be rolled out universally. "I am sure that they will find the Kandi QBR to be superior!"

      We both know that Kandi's QBR is superior, the issue here is that SGCC has opted to apply their own enterprise standard to build and equip the EV stations all over Zheijiang, as per their model applied in Hangzhou. They are even trying to impose their model beyond Zheijiang province, just do some web searches and you'll see that SGCC promotes the Hangzhou Old Hill EV Station Model all over China, except for the smaller area under control of the the China Southern Power Grid.

      There is quite a bit of resistance to that from other parties that claim the SGCC shouldn't be allowed to build a monopoly position....but nobody has even attempted to take action to stop the SGCC in its tracks. And the China National standards for EV Charging / Swapping Stations are still to be discussed.

      Logic doesn't always prevail in China. In the longer term, yes, it might but in the mean time Kandi cannot fully exploit their advantages of first mover and a sensible economic QBR model.

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