Veterans of hand recounts describe
techniques used to change outcome
The manual vote
recounts being insisted on by Democratic operatives in
Palm Beach County, Fla., have been used for over 20
years to steal elections from Republicans, claim
several GOP veterans of hand-recount election-upsets.
According to Bob Haueter, chief of staff to the California
Assembly Republican Caucus, and an expert on manual
recounts, a Democrat lawyer intimately involved in
"stealing" elections from Republicans through hand recounts
admitted to the process and even shared the techniques
After Tuesday's vote and an automatic
recount still left GOP nominee George W. Bush ahead by a
slim 288-vote margin, Palm Beach elections officials
decided that a manual recount of all 425,000 votes should
"What's happening in Florida
is exactly the game plan laid out to me by an
attorney who represented the Democrats in a recount in
California where they stole a seat from us," former
California Assemblyman Pat Nolan told WorldNetDaily.
A staunch conservative legislator, Nolan served in
the California Assembly from 1978 until 1994, when he
was convicted, along with several other lawmakers, in
a federal corruption probe. After spending a little
over two years in federal prison, he emerged to become
president of Justice Fellowship, the public policy arm of
Watergate figure Chuck Colson's Prison Fellowship
Ministries. For the past four years, Nolan has worked with
Colson -- another fallen-but-reformed public figure --
to reform the criminal justice system.
Regarding the 1980 California Assembly race between
Republican Adrian Fondse and Democrat Pat Johnston, Nolan
recalled that the Republican won "by about 54 votes or
But after the election, Democrats
"brought in their junkyard dog lawyers from around the
country," said Nolan, "and basically harassed the local
registrar -- got in their faces and demanded to handle
ballots" -- which were of the same type now in dispute in
The same issue of "hanging chads
-- the little squares in the punch cards -- was also
an issue in Stockton," says Nolan. The Democrats'
strategy, he says, was to handle them as often as possible
-- perhaps bending, crinkling or otherwise altering
them -- so that additional chads become displaced,
thereby disqualifying the ballot.
The result? In
the Stockton election, Nolan said Democrats were
successful in getting the vote count reversed from a plus-54
win by Republicans to a minus-17 loss.
vowed that I'd never let that happen again," Nolan
said. "So I asked my staff to track down the lawyer
that headed up the team for the Democrats."
Haueter was, at that time, chief of staff for Nolan, and
it was he who first contacted attorney Tim Downs,
who readily admitted the Democratic strategy and even
described the tactics to Nolan.
>she is risking her entire political career.
Seems to me that as a Republican, she is
>She's an elected official, and if
she stops all the votes from being counted, she's won
her last election.
certain that she will accept a Presidential
BTW, the Sec of State will be an appointed
position in the future thanks to a recent change in the Fl
Constitution. You didn't know that did you?
fear, the law is on our side,
RE: >> That leaves only Palm Beach and they
have until 2pm tomorrow to convince the Sec of State
that they shouldn't be
Sec of State Kate is being played for all she's worth
by the Bush camp. It's down and dirty politics, and
she's being told to hang in their and fight, cause Gov.
Bush likes a fighter. Unfortunately, she's being used
and doesn't realize she is risking her entire
political career. She's an elected official, and if she
stops all the votes from being counted, she's won her
Not to fear, the law is on our
side, not to mention the votes.
BUSH IS A LIAR
AND A THIEF! (all 3 of them)
>inability to perceive events in an objective
>The writing is on the wall, Gore wins.
(you're soooo objective.. not)
boy, Dade has said they are stopping the
That leaves only Palm Beach and they have until
2pm tomorrow to convince the Sec of State that they
shouldn't be ignored.
RE: >>As for the superfulous issues
(illegal ballots, etc), that will all be forgotten once
all the votes are counted on Friday and Gore is
forced to concede.
All I can say stu is you continually demonstrate your
inability to perceive events in an objective light. It's as
if your will can somehow overcome the inevitable.
The writing is on the wall, Gore wins. I think your
downhome, loyalist mentality has you thinking that if you
actually consider both sides, you'll somehow jinx your
cause, whatever it may be.
For months people here
told you WCOM was dead money and the stock was going
nowhere but down. Instead of considering that input, you
put up a brick wall of loyalty firmly believing in
Bernie. I'll give you a gold star for loyalty, but for
investing smarts D-.
That sounds cruel, but Wall Street
doesn't value anything but bottomline numbers.
told you Clinton would never leave office prematurely
during impeachment proceedings. Your Republican zeal
came shining through (blocking out any objective
thought), but again, you backed the losing side. Here we
are again. You like Bush so much, you are actually
willing to ignore the law (win at any cost). You're
losing this case also.
RE: >>If the media was actually fair, both
me and you would be complaining.
Whether one thinks the media is fair is analagous to the
definitions of Recession and Depression
when your neighbor loses his job. Depression is when
you lose your job.
If the media covers an
event and you like what you hear, they are perceived as
fair. If the media covers an event and you don't like
what you're hearing they are slanted.
I am familiar with number of counties that use
machines instead of paper ballots. That is why I said that
Gore is estimated to be the winner after a statewide
hand-review. My opinions are not based on who will win or
lose. They're based on what I think is fair and
For you to think the media has been fair should tell
you something. If the media was actually fair, both
me and you would be complaining.
I'd say recount the whole state . . . .
What the Repub's aren't saying is,
counties use machines, not paper ballots so their won't be
a lot of ERROR to correct.
My point is, the
Republican Sec of State Kate can't refuse to accept hand
counts from counties she doesn't like.
Democratic counties being hand counted represent the bulk of
paper ballots in the state, and the only Butterfly
ballots (illegal candidate list, Gore should have been
second according to Florida State Law.)
the media has been pretty balanced in objectivity.
Many Bush supporters repeat the Republican battle cry
of, "Liberal Media". Well if the media is liberal,
why do half of this country's voters think Al Gore is
a big spending, ole Democrat? Most people I know
get their news from the local paper and the
If the media was so damn liberal, DW'd be in hiding
after all his old girlfriends were dug up, like in