Phy, If thats your take away I blew the whole deal! Please reread and get my intended point. As to Kerry, (during war on 2 fronts /c N. Korea posturing) you bet rather see someone holding the reins whose been in the shit if you will, than someone who was campaigning in Alabama. My only problem /c Kerry is that he would not fight the disinformation machine. Seems to me when someone is kicking you in the head you break the fucker's leg. Albeit symantically of course! O.