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  • mortgagemiss mortgagemiss Aug 20, 2007 7:05 PM Flag

    Foolish Move to close GPM

    "GreenPoint, specializes in loans for borrowers with slightly better credit than subprime borrowers"...

    is that what COF tells the media so they can justify this move? GP has alway been more conservative then most if not all "Alt-A" lenders. Captial One is the one lending to sub-prime borrowers! GP is certainly one of the most well established mortgage companies out there!! One of the easiest web sites, a sales force in almost every market, knowledgable, good service, etc. COF really had the ability to take GPM to new hights that, once the dust settled, could compete with the Countrywide's and Wells Fargo's of the world. what a waste!

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    • I even read an article today that referred to GPMF as Capital One's "sub-prime" division"

      I mean, c'mon.

      I hate to say that I do think Cap One is making the right move here; they can start again in a couple of years when the stated deals make money again (they will be back; they just can't make any money on them now)

      I'm one of the 1,900 BTW. It's still sinking in. Going to work tomorrow to close the deals that are locked. 21 days max, I guess.

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      • These stated loans at high LTV's is what has brought mortgage lending to its knees. Worse then subprime if you ask me. Subprime borrowers by definition refers to the credit status of the borrower (being less than ideal) but at least you are verifying their income and asset information to get a feel for their capacity to repay. Stated/Stated is qualifying someone on bogus income and asset information. I've seen bank tellers, telephone repairmen, postal workers etc. "state" that they earn well over 100k/yr and "state" that they have in excess of over 200K in the bank when anyone in their right mind knows their not making anywhere close or have that much saved at 28 years old. Now I say c'mon, what the hell were these lenders thinking. Just because they have 680+ credit scores that consisted of a mastercard, gas card and Macy's card they were given loans of 300K, 400K, 500K and even more, at a teaser rate no less. Disaster waiting to happen....and it did. If these stated loans do make a comeback it should be stated income only and only for self employed borrowers who like to screw the government and don't report what they really make.

    • Wait until they announce the bad Alt-A loans in their portfolios.

    • So this takes care of GPM. What about the rest of their mortgage lending units?
      What comes next?

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