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  • olee2116 olee2116 Nov 2, 2012 3:38 PM Flag

    Below book value

    It's not worthwhile for management to buy shares unless the price falls to 29. Obama is almost certain to win, so we might see a considerable correction after elections.

    At least I'm hoping for one so I can buy AGNC for a discount.

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    • Olee.. if that is the scenario I would say they aren't doing a buy back.
      I'm not expecting $29 any time soon.

    • In all things, seek the truth.

      If you think O is going to win, it is probably because you saw that somewhere.

      If you analyze polls and get neck-deep in details, you'll find there is a built-in assumption that there will be the same turnout as 2008. If you re-weight the polls based on how people identify themselves today, rather than in 2008 (four years makes a big difference) you will find quite the opposite.

      I've spent about 100 hours analyzing the polls, maps and underlying data. As of right now I've got a very high probability of a Romney win. I'm currently, conservatively, scoring Romney at 291, with reasonable chances at Wisconsin and PA. CU data analysis agrees with my assessment, and they've never been wrong. They even called the split-election in 2000 perfectly. CU has Romney at over 330.

      I'm not trying to be political... the impact is significant to REITs. Romney wants to fire the fed chief and end QE, while O has promised "more of the same".

      When all others will marvel at "how wrong the polls were," I hope you will remember what I told you about actually analysing what you've been told rather than merely believing what you were told. Everyone, even myself, has bias. In all things, seek the truth.

      Either I will be discredited, or almost everyone you've been listening to will be discredited.

      Virginia will reveal the bias, and whomever wins Virginia early in the night will also take Florida, Ohio, Iowa, and Colorado. There's a slightly more leftward bias in NH, WI and PA. NC is already in-the-bag for Romney... I have no idea why anyone calls it a swing state. I'd say the same for NV for Obama... in the bag for O there.

      Remember my post for four days ;) It's NOT long odds Romney will win. I have him at better than 50%, and more like 75% after re-weighting as people now identify, and accounting for undecideds historical trend, plus "voter enthusiasm" measures which sharply go against the current president.

      The only poll that matters is the vote, but know that many polls are designed to influence public opinion rather than find the actual truth. With some scrutiny, however, it can still be found.



      Sentiment: Hold

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      • I figured out who CU is...I've done a little homework...saying the CU model "has never been wrong", is pretty bold. I believe 2012 is the first "prediction" this model has ever made. The partial-truth of your statement is that when tested against data from previous election years, back to 1980, it would have made the right predictions, but that is also a little misleading, since the model was actually created using all those election years as the data to build predictions on, in other words, it had to get the right results because the actual results are what it's predictive capacity is modeled on. I'm not stumping for anyone, but it is disturbing to me when untruths are spewed in a piece attempting to sound authoritative and academic.

      • Fellow buff here, thanks for referencing CU's data. Hopefully it proves correct again.

        Sentiment: Strong Buy

      • Some of the stations have shown clips of Romney's predatory investing strategies. At first I thought it was a story about Boesky.
        The average of polls here have O ahead 7 points.
        It changes every day but the trend shows a slide over the last week. Same in our senate race.
        I think the market sells off until tuesday close.
        Wed open up if R wins.

      • It's much easier for an incumbent to be re-elected than a new candidate to be re-elected. Gas is cheap and unemployment is going down (yeah I know the numbers don't count the people who gave up).

        Sure the deficit has ballooned, but the average voter doesn't care about that. The average voter wants a job, a house, and cheap gas. And don't talk about privatizing SS and Medicare, that really gets people riled up. (Ryan was a poor choice and doomed Romney)

      • In-trade has Obama at 67.4% currently. You should put some money on this, if you are confident about the 50-75%. I didn't do the analysis you did, so I'm not going to say either way.

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