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  • raybans2 raybans2 Nov 15, 2012 3:48 PM Flag

    Carbon Foot Print

    Yourbestfriendintheworld said

    “That'll happen. The bad part of it is he's not noticing that the fuel efficiency of those cars is improving by leaps every year.”

    I own a plug in 2012 Prius which averages 175 miles a gallon based in my average driving conditions and a 2006 Prius that averages 52 miles to the gallon. Before that I had a 2002 Prius. What do you own, an SUV? There are those who talk about doing the right thing because they want to be seen talking about it and there are those of us who actually do the right thing. And it doesn't save us money either. We do it because we don't want to have a negative impact on the environment and waste limited fossil fuel resources that will eventually run out. One of the largest energy gluttons in the US is Al Gore. What a joke. He uses over 4000 kWH a month and I use less than 250.

    There are too many p_h_o_n_y b_a_l_o_n_e_y environmentalist who talk a lot but do nothing themselves to contribute because they imagine that some government policy is doing the job for them instead. Go figure. However if everyone did what I do in my house and with my cars the US would be exporting oil and LNG today and there would not be an energy issue in the US and the workings of the Middle East would be irrelevant to us other than a concern as to how they impact others. So much for government policies.

    Some of us care about how we leave the world for the next generation, free of pollution and debt. And then there are those that talk about it a lot but make no effort of their own. But talking doesn’t accomplish a whole lot. If you aren’t actually doing what you say then you are just a bragger with, as Bob Dylan would say, 20 pounds of headlines stapled to your chest.

    You have to be riding a bicycle to work to do better than my energy foot print. I have to spend very little on carbon credits because I use so little. I’m on my third tank of gas since I bought my plug in Prius in May. And what I said about the bicycle guy may not be true if he eats meat. Because the cost of energy to raise a cow is pretty significant and the extra meat he will have to eat to fuel his body would cancel out his savings. I’m not imagining that. It was from a study I read. It's not healthy to eat a lot anyway. Skinny people live a lot longer than their counterparts.

    Go to carboncredit_o_r_g if you want to make your carbon foot print zero. Or just keep talking and do nothing. That is what I would expect most of you guys to do which is nothing. I think I know the Modus Operandi of the typical Democrat by now.

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    • Bought the daughters a 2010 Insight and 2011 Prius --- both hybrids --- outstanding fuel economy (45 mpg on the Insight and 53 mpg on the Prius) makes up for the low mpg I get on the tractors on the farms, but they're used to produce crops which the rest of you can't live without.

      Most farmers are green too -- geothermal for HVACs and wind and solar. .

      Sentiment: Buy

      • 1 Reply to usaf_ghost_rider
      • Obama mandated MPG 35.5 by 2016 and 54.5 mpg by 2025. That is the largest mandatory fuel economy increase in history. He is also pushing hard for solar (with a few bumps and grinds), as well as wind. Since energy is local (solar works better in AZ, while wind works better in ND), we need to look at all available options, as there is no "one size fits all" By the way, wood is the preferred heating source in VT.
        Yes, we all need to walk and bike more, and perhaps drive a lot less (How about parking a little farther from the mall entrance and walking, instead of driving around for 15 minutes looking for a closer parking space?)
        There are so many things that we can do to decrease energy consumption without negatively impacting our quality of life. But then the oil companies wouldn't make as much money.

    • He uses over 4000 kWH a month and I use less than 250.
      Less than 250? Baloney.

    • When we have wingnuts like raybans excepting environmental responsibility and turning it back to attacke dems with lies ('Al Gore is an energy glutton'), it means green has gone mainstream.

      He doesnt even know it but he is driving the Japanese version of the much despised 'Obamamobile'

      Economically, the wingnuts still are the biggestv hreat to the US economy and our civilization in general, but at least they are adapting green practices. its good, even though we must endure the usual stupid attacks and childish reversal arguments.

      Noe, Reits R Us, i wont leave the messageboard, and yes you are full of $hit?

      • 2 Replies to hgff101
      • At one time, when my kids were at home, I used 1500 gallons of heating oil to heat my house.
        10 years ago, heating oil was $1.00 a gallon, and I did not care if someone wanted the temperature at 72 deg.. Today, my last oil fill-up was close to $4.00 a gallon. However, my oilman
        is crying these days. Why? Wood pellet technology. Since I installed my wood pellet stove, my
        oil use has gone from 1500 gallons a year down to 500, and most of that is to heat hot water.
        Many people in my area (New Hampshire) have adopted wood pellets for thier primary heat. In fact,some municipalities are using wood pellets to heat their buildings. Another nice thing about wood pellets is that the particular pellet I am burning is milled 30 miles down the road, keeping the dollar flow in America and not overseas. I had 5 tons delivered this fall at a cost of $1125 including delivery. Doing the math, 1000 gallons @ $4.00 a gallon vs. $1125 yields a savings of almost $3000 dollars. Of course, the stove and installation costs $4500, but I got a 35% rebate from the government for energy efficiency. The wood stove pellet rebate has now expired.

        Going forward, I am looking at a solar hot water system that can produce 140 deg. water at
        a temperature of -10 deg. F in direct sunlight. The system is $8000 not including a government credit of 35% available through 2016.

        In retrospect though, if I had availability to natural gas, I would not have to take the above actions.
        We as a nation are swimming in natural gas. It is plentiful and cheap. However, although I am only two miles from natural gas lines, a line will not be run out to us because the properties in the area are one plus acre in size and considered rural district. No municipal water or gas for you.

      • Excepting should be accepting

    • Actually solar is the best solution everywhere. Ultimately all of our energy sources come from the sun anyways, so might as well cut out the middleman.

      The problem is our level of technology. Eventually there will be solar panels that can be used even in cloudy days.

      • 1 Reply to olee2116
      • Olee, I have solar and it produces plenty (even on cloudy days) ... the trick is getting them set up properly --- mine are 2-axis trackers and achieve the highest efficiencies (85% or so).........other approaches don't perform as well --- using fixed get 65-70% efficiencies (this is where most residential players are today), two-season adjusted 70% efficiencies, four-season adjusted approx 75% efficiencies.......

        Off the grid "amost" (thank you geothermal, solar,and wind) and looking forward to the day when I can tell the farmer's cooperative (electric company) "C you"

        Sentiment: Buy

    • yourbestfriendintheworld yourbestfriendintheworld Nov 16, 2012 4:20 PM Flag

      1. Prius, most days. Bicyle, most days as well.
      2. The "carbon footprint" of your car isn't zero. The energy you put into it comes from somewhere, and the energy to produce the vehicle wasn't inconsiderable, and the energy to dispose of it at the end of its life is quite non-null, too.
      3. Your net costs would be lower if you got a cheap compact and paid full price for gas. I'm about due to trade in the Prius, and that's the way the math is adding up. But as you demonstrate so indelicately, the bragging rights can make up for the lack of any actual economic advantage.
      4. You don't know your own modus operandi, much less anyone else's. Not so much for you with the telling other people what to do, huh.

    • Actually they were never fully put into use because funding ran dry well before but from what I have read early initial experiments were successful. The idea was far grander than just information / energy transportation but because another guy (using 17 of Tesla's patents) was able to do transatlantic wireless communication his funding stopped. The tower was supposed to use the earth (which he proved to be a charged species floating in space) and the ionosphere as a means to create a capacitor and thus generate electricity.

 
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