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  • jess_1554 jess_1554 Nov 29, 2012 9:52 AM Flag

    Fiscal Cliff

    U.S. health care is a highly developed business designed to produce profits. Take a look at the UN World Health Organization (WHO) reports. Out of 195 countries the U.S. and Luxembourg are tied for most costly health costs per capita (about $8000), but are rated under many countries in actual health care delivered to their people. Cuba, for instance, rates higher in several categories than the U.S. at less than 10% of the cost per capita ($700).

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    • Rehashed many times on this board and elsewhere. Ask yourself a simple question, why do all of the heads of foreign countries come to the US for their medical care?

      The reason your numbers are skewed is that we(US) are the largest supplier of tertiary care. That care includes the heroic and experimental efforts to prolong life, from neonatal(premature birth, birth defects, etc) to end of life...experimental drugs, heart, liver transplants, etc).

      Therefore we have higher morbidity(death) rates because of the higher population base receiving this tertiary care. So when you read about the US having higher live birth death rates it is because of our efforts in this arena of tertiary care.

      Like so many other "statistics", you can make them work for whatever your cause might be. So look at the promoters of these numbers with an eye to their agenda.


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      • I did not know this but it makes sense. It never made sense to me when people say our health care in the US is less effective. As it seems that hearing about people going into remission after cancer treatment seems to be more the norm now days. I would not expect the same level of success from Mexico for example. That said, if you do get a major health problem like cancer it is wise to investigate which hospital specializes in that kind of care and go there. You don't want to be treated by someone using outdated methods. If you live in a small town you probably want to go to a larger city.

        When my mother passed, about a week before she was going to die the doctor told her that she only had about a week left and that she should leave the hospital if she didn't want to end up on life support. She opted to leave and about a week later she passed in the middle of the night while asleep. We took shifts by her side and when the time between breaths started to get longer everyone woke up and we were all standing beside her at the time when she passed. That's hard to do in a hospital. She was happier at home because we were there with her all the time. And she was always alone at night in the hospital as we needed our rest.

        I think I will do the same when my time comes.

      • Doc - with respect, I simply ask that people read the WHO report, consider the statistics, and perhaps learn from them. There is no question U.S. has excellent health care, the problem is it is not affordable to the people who are actually paying for it as tax payers. How do you justify a surgeon making almost 10 times what his plumber does?

        I just got a MRI bill for $3400. I know this particular office does about 3000 of these per year. Owning and operating one MRI machine cost is, in round numbers, 1 Million $ per year. Do the math on this and you will find they are grossing $10 Mil per year, and they have another machine in this area also. How do you justify this sort of burden which is almost entirely on the middle class?

      • Because if you're rich/high status, you can afford the extravagant U.S. healthcare system.

        For the average joe, the choice is no healthcare (dying) or being bankrupted. I'll take simple and cheap Cuban healthcare any day of the week.

    • jess_1554 !!! Cuba has three levels of healthcare ,the top level for Communist leaders and the wealthy ,a second level for tourists and a bottom level for the rest of the population. A Canadian tourist was injured in a accident and was taken to a bottom level facility because of the distance to another facility. The bottom level had a nurse but no bandages,anticeptic or simple pain kill like aspirins. The nurse make a phone call and some time later supplies were droped off. Things are great in Cuba if you are Communist leader.
      Anyone who would rate medical care in Cuba as superior to the United States is being very dishonest. Medical care in Cuba for the general population is comparable to the US in the 19 century.

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