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  • jwqu7 jwqu7 Dec 26, 1999 9:07 PM Flag

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    • Disney looked into opening a year round ski
      resort in the early 80's. They bought land on a lake in
      California. They had a sharing agreement with the Aspen Ski
      Co. Disney would teach the Aspen managers how to move
      people through lift lines, and the Ski Co. would show
      Disney how to manage a ski area. At the end of three
      years, Disney gave up the idea. It was a poor use of
      capital in their analysis. You have to invest in both a
      winter and summer infrastructure. One half of your
      capital is always idle, not earning money, and both are
      idle for four months of the year, eg April, May,
      October, November. In the end, they realized that you need
      a warm weather climate to fully realize a good
      return on your investment. Vail is a well run
      organization, but it is not a Disney.

    • I think your observations about the snow
      conditions are reasonable. However, it has been warm all
      week, and the slopes are getting skiied off by the
      traffic. I based my outlook for poor snow on the five day
      forecast in the snow report on Vail's web-site.

    • These posts are not that long, why are they being
      cut off?

      Concerning the near term outlook, it
      does not look that poor to me, see
      http://grads.iges.org/pix/prec1.html
      While I only check these maps on a weekly basis, they
      did predict above average snow for the first 3 weeks
      in December and the current dry spell.

    • Last post cutoff, but I went to say the coverage
      is good on the green/blue runs right
      now.

      Another problem is the perception that less terrain is
      open since the areas have expanded into more extreme
      terrain (Copper Bowl, Peak 7, Outback's South Bowl, WP's
      Vasquez Ridge) which requires more snow to open and this
      terrain simply will not be open for Christmas. So the
      percentage of terrain open is going to be less than it use
      to be, but the actual acreage open is about normal.
      Another problem, in my opinion, is that all the high
      speed lifts have eliminated lift lines but put everyone
      on the slopes, causing more skier traffic and use on
      the thin early season snow, causing conditions to
      deteriorate more rapidly.

      Yes the conditions are poor
      compared to the end of January, but they really are about
      average for this time of year. I guess I have seen worst,
      like 1980 when Breckenridge could only open for 3 days
      (12/26 to 12/28) over the holidays, and did not really
      open for the season until 2/14/81. I think Keys

    • Someone, please tell me how the hell they make moguls. Thanks!

 
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