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  • tablefishdollarsign tablefishdollarsign Dec 28, 2011 11:08 AM Flag

    Article about Manitowoc city workers being laid off

    Rimm,

    Are you admitting that unions are now useless?
    If you are 40 or over you can't be fired because of EEOC.
    Safe working environment - OSHA (and bonding companies).
    Overtime is regulated by the Department of Labor.
    "Fair" wages and "reasonable" vacation time is highly subjective to the region.

    If you are so concerned with CEO's and shareholders making money why are you posting on a finance forum? Hopefully, you don't own any of that morally corrupt stock you are talking about.

    Quit with your liberal propaganda and come up with something Unions ACTUALLY do.

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    • <<Are you admitting that unions are now useless?>> Absolutely not, but they wouldn't be needed if management played fair with employees whose labor made the company successful.

      <<If you are 40 or over you can't be fired because of EEOC.>> Not true. For a great example, google Coors company multiple lawsuits for age-related dismissals over the years. They lost those cases, but it didn't negate the damage already done. There are many more companies who do this, but not on as massive a scale and often those cases aren't reported or taken up by the EEOC because they are hard to prove.

      <<Safe working environment - OSHA (and bonding companies).>> Which was first: OSHA or the Unions? That's right, it was the unions who pushed for safety standards first.
      If the GOP has their way, OSHA will not be funded.

      <<Overtime is regulated by the Department of Labor.>> Only if it remains funded.

      <<"Fair" wages and "reasonable" vacation time is highly subjective to the region.>>
      I agree. But again, if company management was fair with labor, their would be no need for unions and this would be a non-issue. How many executives who are over 40 get layed off or take paycuts when profits are down?

      <<If you are so concerned with CEO's and shareholders making money why are you posting on a finance forum?>> I'm in favor of everyone making money including labor. Management needs to manage shareholder expectations because there are times when seasonal or other factors make this difficult. I really like the Costco model because the CEO does everything right. He runs a great company, treats his labor well and when shareholders complain, he tells them to sell their shares and move on because he won't treat labor like disposable garbage just so they can make more money. He is a great man like Henry Ford was.

      <<Hopefully, you don't own any of that morally corrupt stock you are talking about.>>
      I don't (smirk), but should the management have a change of heart, I'll invest 100K in the shares. I believe people can change if they really want to.

 
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