since the board meeting, I had the opportunity to meet with a couple of upper management people, both in the crane div. & the ice div. The talk was nothing in any great detail, but both of them indicated that T.Growcock has no intention of moving anything out of Manitowoc. Now this may be a smoke screen. Im sure if I were in his position, I wouldn't tell the world what my plans were. I do remember one of the past president having trouble with the union during labor negotiations, the union was asking for the world, he told them he couldn't give them all that they wanted. They told hime that if he didn't, they would go on strike, he told them that if they struck, he would close that division down and move it back to Manitowoc. The union called his bluff and struck. Within 30 days, that division was back in Manitowoc. It was the Link-Belt Speeder div.The president was John West. For you young investors, John West was the Manitowoc Co. Some one once told me that at his death, which was about 10 years ago, he had somewhere around 3,000,000 shares. With the splits since then he probably would have somewhere around 12,000,000 shares now. Like I said HE WAS THE MANITOWOC CO. If T.Growcock follows the wisdom of past presidents, MTW isn't going anywhere. Once being in the Mfg. business, I know that the mid-West has the BEST work ethics in the U.S.A. The word "imposible" does not appear in any of the dictionaries sold in this area. If the customer wants something special, we in the Mid-West will tell them it may take a little ingenuity, but we'll get it done. Taking that same problem to the East or West coast and you'll get an answer something like "it can't be done" Unclepennybags_2, you know my backround and you being from the Mid-West you shold know what exactly what I'm talking about.