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  • great_manic_depression great_manic_depression Apr 10, 2011 1:47 PM Flag

    We are not entitled

    just because we are American.

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    • ya got Pud!

    • i want us all to want to be pres., some guys are spectators, seems like such a waste for a smart young man. all i was really saying.

      most people have shrunken little cowered lives because they believe what their told and make no effort, cause it'll just fail anyway. not who i am and it's a mistake for me to project it on him. spectators galley is filled, we need participants.

    • bwahaaaaaaaaaaaa--one minute you want him to be Pres--the next ya got em on welfare

    • fine, just fine, but i aint paying for your health insurance!!

    • Debrea,

      Your statements reminded me of a criticism that was often leveled at the early Christians for being "negligent" of performing their civic duty. The response by the most brilliant Christian mind of the early church, Origen, is as good as any I could adduce: "Celsus also urges us to "take office in the government of the country, if that is required for the maintenance of the laws and the support of religion." But we recognise in each state the existence of another national organization, founded by the Word of God, and we exhort those who are mighty in word and of blameless life to rule over Churches. Those who are ambitious of ruling we reject; but we constrain those who, through excess of modesty, are not easily induced to take a public charge in the Church of God. And those who rule over us well are under the constraining influence of the great King, whom we believe to be the Son of God, God the Word. And if those who govern in the Church, and are called rulers of the divine nation— that is, the Church— rule well, they rule in accordance with the divine commands, and never suffer themselves to be led astray by worldly policy. And it is not for the purpose of escaping public duties that Christians decline public offices, but that they may reserve themselves for a diviner and more necessary service in the Church of God— for the salvation of men. And this service is at once necessary and right. They take charge of all— of those that are within, that they may day by day lead better lives, and of those that are without, that they may come to abound in holy words and in deeds of piety; and that, while thus worshipping God truly, and training up as many as they can in the same way, they may be filled with the word of God and the law of God, and thus be united with the Supreme God through His Son the Word, Wisdom, Truth, and Righteousness, who unites to God all who are resolved to conform their lives in all things to the law of God."

    • ah SHYTE, zael. gawwddamned your arse get out there and fawwking standup take a swing at these bastids. nobody is going to give you shyte, you can't possibly be that naive.
      i'm calling your BULLSHYTE!! put that mind of yours to work for the direct benefit of those you think you represent. sitting in a church or monastery is spectator. you TAKE RESPONSIBILITY for YOUR IDEAS and sitting on the bench WON'T get you
      a squat, to say nothing about in 25 years you'll wish like a rascal you'd exercised some gumption. you have a greater OBLIGATION to yourself than your accepting, you'll NEVER achieve anything spectating. believe me i've seen many sit it out and they WASTED their lives!!
      GET BUSY your 27FAWWKING YEARS OLD!!!
      world's your oyster, like i said THINK BIGGER!! you appear to not have much "faith" in your capacity to perform.

    • I grant that unless those in the upper echelons of business, industry, politics, and academia grab hold of these ideas, nothing will be accomplished. Those positions are still mostly occupied by the old who are too invested in their crusty, outworn ideas and understanding.

      I have been told I should run for politics, but I have no political skill whatsoever. I am a moralist, a Christian philosopher, not a politician. My home is in the library, the monastery, not the Congress. Instead, I try to focus the bulk of my efforts on educating my own generation on a correct understanding of macroeconomics and Christian ethics in the hopes of influencing, in my small way, tomorrow's leaders.

    • I disagree. Every American citizen is entitled to a good education, a living wage job, decent, sanitary housing, and medical care. In fact, according to the U.N. Declaration of Human Rights, every human being is entitled to such things, wherever he may be. But as far as the U.S. government is concerned, its duty is to ensure all Americans access to these necessities that ensure "life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness," and without which no man can have much of a life, nor freedom, and certainly no ability to pursue happiness (i.e. to be all it is in him to be).

    • don't forget the stagggered entry into the Industrial Revolutions by the various parts of the world

      also post WWII was a windfall for the only industrialized country left on the planet

      that windfall has long dissipated

      • 1 Reply to pudbashe_r
      • Granted that before the Industrial Revolution, poverty was a necessary fact of life. Since the early 20th century however, the West has had the means to completely eliminate poverty. The fact that the phenomena still exists, especially of all nations in exorbitantly wealthy America, is a political and social choice, not something imposed by environmental constraint. The fact that the top 20% of Americans own 87% of the nation's wealth, and the bottom 40% own 0.1% of the nation's wealth is a matter of institutional structure not Nature.

 
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