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  • demsrdumbdonkeys demsrdumbdonkeys Nov 5, 2012 11:35 AM Flag

    How Much Revenue Will JNJ Lose If Romney Outlaws Abortion?

    Carol, in additiona to what you said, Bush had control of both houses during the early years of his presidency and none of the draconian things liberals blather on about ever happend, or were even suggested. Slavery was not reinstituted, abortion was not outlawed, contrecptives were not outlawed, women didn't lose the vote, religion was not forced on the population, medicare and social secutrity were not ended, poor people were not forced to live the a matter of fact the unemployment rate dropped to 4% and the economy was great up until the dems took over the house and seante in the 2006 elections.

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    • This is a different situation. For the past decade, there has been a move to put anti-abortion and even anti-contraception people in Congress and in other organizations that are influential partly because of having large amounts of money to distribute. Citizens United helped accelerate that process.

      I think it's wrong to assume that there's no power behind the Republican platform.

      Did you realize a "personhood" law would outlaw two of the most popular forms of birth control: the pill and the IUD.

      The majority of doctors who recall women showing up to ER's almost bleeding to death have retired from practice or have died. Since most of us don't remember the olden days (except hearing about it from parents, friends, etc.) it's easy to ignore or dismiss the seriousness of what some propose to do. Even women with ectopic pregnancies, etc. that threaten women's health and sometimes their lives (some women still die during pregnancy and childbirth) would be prevented from getting lifesaving abortions in some parts of the country. This is not a "throwaway" issue, IMHO.

    • The social issue climate is much farther to the right in the "tea party" portion of the Republican party. Notice that centrist, long term members of Congress such as Richard Lugar of Indiana and Orrin Hatch of Utah were defeated in Republican primaries because they were said to be too liberal. There are more examples, but most readers will be familiar with these names. A long term Republican Senator from Maine resigned because she could no longer tolerate the path of her party. There are many more examples of what is happening.

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      • "A long term Republican Senator from Maine resigned because she could no longer tolerate the path of her party."

        That would be Olympia Snowe, but I think you have your "fact" wrong:
        "She cited hyper-partisanship leading to a dysfunctional Congress as her reason for not seeking reelection."
        Nothing to do with her party, but BOTH parties.

      • Correction: It was Bennett who lost a Republican primary in Utah to someone farther to the right. Orrin Hatch, the other Utah Senator, wasn't up for re-election in 2010. He was up for re-election in 2012 and won. Also, while Richard Lugar, a seasoned Republic Senator from Indiana, lost the primary to an extreme contender and that Republican seat was lost. Also, the seat of the moderate Republican Senator from Maine, has gone to an independent. There are now two (I) Senators in the the U.S. Senate.

      • Actually, ever , Hatch won the Primary with just under 60% of the vote. What are you smoking? Not a very good example, is it?

    • hey demsdumb
      Bush was getting around to that but he had to go to war first!

      Sentiment: Buy

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      • In reply to m.swanger and mrbealy, Bush tried to reign in the banking laws and Fannie/Freddy in 2003 and as a result he was roundly attacked by the left as being racist, and attempting to make home loans tougher on minorities to get. There is a New York Times aticle from 9/11/2003 titled "New Agency Proposed to Oversee Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae" that spells out part of the plan. From the article this is a quote from Barney Frank and (D) Melvin Watt...

        "''These two entities -- Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac -- are not facing any kind of financial crisis,'' said Representative Barney Frank of Massachusetts, the ranking Democrat on the Financial Services Committee. ''The more people exaggerate these problems, the more pressure there is on these companies, the less we will see in terms of affordable housing.''

        Representative Melvin L. Watt, Democrat of North Carolina, agreed.

        ''I don't see much other than a shell game going on here, moving something from one agency to another and in the process weakening the bargaining power of poorer families and their ability to get affordable housing,'' Mr. Watt said."

        After that the rest of the media picked up the ball and ran with the whole "Bush only wants to reign in lending practices because he hates poor people story line" which put public opinion against these measures. Well, a few years later you see where we ended up.

        People like you were probably glad to see Bush falsely painted as racist in order to shot down this idea, but look what happend to your family and friends and the country due to the liberal demonization of anything Republican, no matter how good or bad the idea. Of course the media never went back and said that Barney or Melvin were idiots, or just dumb 'ol Bush, the guy who tried to head the collapse off in 2003. That is OK though, because people like me see what is going on and we plan around it. People like you think that dems have your best interests at heart and then you end up losing 50% of the value in your home, your job, and end up on dead end government assistance.

    • President George W. Bush wasn't anywhere as far right on social issues as some are now.

    • your post is flowed as I remember how the economy was under Bush's 2nd term. We had a banking crises then,etc. Your personal situation may have been fine, but not for many other. Why else did America overwhelmingly vote against McCain and the republicans. The same logic pervades this election. America has not improved.

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