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  • r0v2967 r0v2967 Aug 3, 2008 11:06 AM Flag

    CWA NOT a real UNION

    what a joke. "stop the clock?"

    The CWA is not a real union. Real unions like the Teamsters would not have put up with this crap. Trucks would not be rolling today.

    A real union like the ILA (longshoremen for you loopy c$%^s) would have left ships sitting at the docks.

    I agree with the poster that said the time for talking was before last night.

    When the CWA finally falls, all you knuckle heads can point to this moment in time as the starting point.

    Most of the CWA workers I've dealt with in Texas are lazy, uneducated, and know exactly when the next time they can go on disability for whatever bogus reason they come up with this week. Joke of a union.

    Longshoremen take pride in their work, aren't lazy, and can work circles around any nonunion ship worker in the US.

    Teamsters have the same pride. They do not HIDE behind the union and try to do as little as possible. THey bust their humps because they are proud to say they are the best at what they do.

    CWA? LOL. JOKE. I can take high school kids and train them to do your job in 2 weeks and they'll do it better. Don't believe me........have you seen your UVERSE and/or FiOS Installer lately?

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    • Your Right! What else can I say.

      Good Luck.... Oh thats right, you don't need luck....

    • Again, you know nothing about me, I was not involved with telecom in the military. I have an electronics background, including a degree in digital electronics which allows me to do a hell of allot more than just swap out failed cards...
      I'm not pigeon holed into the telecom field either, and I don't need a union to negotiate anything with my employer. You have a union seniority based mentality and just can't comprehend what it's like to actually get paid what your worth. You hard core union types couldn't survive in a non-union field where you get paid for what you can do, not just being paid because you have seniority and can't be layed off. You will never convince me that a union is worth anything, because I will never need a union to protect me. I'll always have a marketable skill set and will always be able to find a job in a high paying career field.

    • How many technical jobs have you had outside of telecom? I'm sure the military paid you next to nothing. Then you went right into telecom, and you think your skills are what your pay is based off of. I really don’t know you and your skill set but based off the other military personnel I've ran into the technical experience they get in the military ain’t sh*t, most of the real technical work is done by subcontractors and military techs are not much more than part swappers. This does however suit you well for Telecom because that is all we really do is swap parts and maybe configure/provision some equipment here and there. Previous to telecom I worked in positions for several companies that required a higher level of technical expertise and they did not pay anywhere near as much. I have many friends and classmates that are highly skilled but don’t make anywhere near what we make. The truth of the matter is that when it comes to Telecom, the union certainly set the pay scale. Technology is reducing the amount of people required to do the job and the company would like to replace the rest with lower wage workers. If you really think that your skills are what make you so valuable do yourself a favor and never leave Telecom and hope they never show you the door.

    • Pension? Don't worry, my retirement is well planned for. I'd rather add that $100 a month dues to my retirement account...

    • What about pension? a real pension. You think you are the only top tech around? I have seen them come and go.

    • You havn't offered a darn thing to convince me I need a union, I already have good pay and benefits so why the heck do I need to pay $100 a month to a union? I'm more worried about being layed off under the union contract then I ever was. If I'm a top tech and no one can do what I do, then I'm not getting layed off. But in a union none of that matters, the guy with lower seniority goes first. What kind of a system is that? Reward the guy that has been there for 20 years and only knows what he needs to, and lay off the guy that can actually do the job better? Makes no sense to me... Why force dues on people that don't want to be in the union. If you want to be in a union, I'm all for it. If you think the union will get you better pay and benefits, pay your dues. What does it matter if I'm hired "at-will" and offered the same pay and benefits. If a union is worth the dues they charge, more people will join volintarily and there would be no reason to force dues on non members. I'm all for State and National Right to Work Legislation, as it forces the union hierarchy to be more accountable. Instead of forced union dues to gain financial support, union officials have to sell the benefits of union membership. If I thought the union could do anything for me I'd join, but I havn't needed one before and I don't need one now.

    • Just like any civilian job, I left the military because I was stuck in a simple job and couldn't cross train into the tech job I wanted. And by the way, I got paid $15K when I received my honorable discharge due to the military reduction of force in the mid 90's. You really have no clue about me and just don't "get it" as you have been union brain washed all those years. I'm not blaming the union for anything, I have similar benefits and make more than I would have if I was in a union. All the union will do is slow me down, speaking of not thinking for yourself... Things have not been down hill for me at all, until of course the union gets hold of my career.

    • Wraith, if you had children your medical would be a lot more and the CWA family man is still free. Do you think your wages and benefits would be so good with out a threat of a union or if they did not exist at all? Unions brought the American worker in to the middle class. They are the lesser of two evils. You are getting in the classic layoff years of MCI. Once you get 10-15 years in and are making good money they put a bulls eye on your back. You know what I am talking about. You must have seen it or heard about it. You are entitled to your opinion. I just think it is wrong.

    • Dont think so, my pay was good before I became VZB. The union has less to to do with my current pay than you may think. The union has you brainwashed thinking you need them so they can charge you dues so some union boss can get paid for doing nothing. Why do you think CWA wants VZB in the union? To get paid, plain and simple. If it's not about the money why force dues on people that don't want to be in the union. If you want to be in a union, I'm all for it. If you think the union will get you better pay and benefits, pay your dues. What does it matter if I'm hired "at-will" by verizon and they offer me the same pay and benefits. If a union is worth the dues they charge, more people will join volintarily and there would be no reason to force dues on non members. I'm all for State and National Right to Work Legislation, as it forces the union hierarchy to be more accountable. Instead of forced union dues to gain financial support, union officials have to sell the benefits of union membership.

    • x-military, that tell's me why you have a problem. Now I know just who you are. Talk about not knowing how to think for yourself. Why did ya quit the military, things getting a little tuff. So when miltary got hot you got out. Then you got out of BS, now VZ is your problem. Why don't you have the staying power? Don't blame the Union for your failings. The problem is your attitude. You don't seem to get along, something left over from your pre-military days. So you could not get into school and you signed up. Things were great until things got hot, the you bailed. Did you attend some Bell South job fair? You came in at the height of the end of the internet bubble. Now its all been down hill for ya. Yes I've seen this before.

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