Sparky who are you talking about? Most of this whole thread has been about the battery sector and it is not good for all of the sector when one company stumbles. Where did you come up with "that A123 must loses so Valence gains".. I mean it is obvious that Aone has given product away just to get the contract and that is starting to show up in the numbers. But I for one do not want to see Aones demise.