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  • flstockboy flstockboy Nov 1, 2012 8:20 AM Flag

    Real question for regulators? Do Call Options constitute ownership

    I'm a bit skeptical of whether or not Icahn's activity really represents 10% ownership
    of NFLX and whether or not he was required by law to disclose his position or was it merely
    part of the larger scam? Is is a big Romney supporter? Is this

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    • . Defendants Ultimately Reveal that the
      Streaming Business Only Carried An 8% Contribution Margin
      156. On September 1, 2011, the concealed risks regarding the virtuous
      cycles began to materialize for the first time. On that date, Starz issued a Press
      Release announcing that it had ceased streaming contract renewal negotiations
      with Netflix. Once the contract expired in February, 2012, Starz would no longer
      provide streaming content to Netflix:
      Starz Entertainment has ended contract renewal
      negotiations with Netflix. When the agreement expires
      on February 28, 2012, Starz will cease to distribute its
      content on the Netflix streaming platform.
      157. Apparently, Starz had pulled the plug because Netflix was either
      unwilling or unable to afford its demanded prices. Starz announced:
      This decision is a result of our strategy to protect the
      premium nature of our brand by preserving the
      appropriate pricing and packaging of our exclusive and
      highly valuable content. With our current studio rights
      and growing original programming presence, the network
      is in an excellent position to evaluate new opportunities
      and expand its overall business.
      158. The loss of the Starz contract revealed the cracks in Netflix’s business
      model. Even having raised prices and having grown its subscriber base, Netflix
      still could not afford the Starz contract, i.e., content. Analysts and investors began
      to grow concerned about the ability of Netflix to deliver on its model. Without
      content, Netflix would not be able to grow its subscriber base, and with those
      revenues, Netflix would not be able to continue to license content.
      159. For example, on September 2, 2011, an analyst, WEDBUSH,
      commented that while Netflix had been a “subscriber growth story” that “managed
      to maintain a delicate balance between its content quality, spending and subscriber
      acquisition in order to keep subscriber growth high,” the analyst was concerned
      that the Starz announcement “upset[] that delicate balance, and reveal[ed] a chink
      in Netflix’s armor.”

      Sentiment: Strong Sell

    • Icahn has been in this game for more than 60 years. I'm sure he and his legal team knows when he is supposed to file and when not. I believe since he bought options that if exercised would give him 10% stake, and also since they are LEAPs, and also because he said he bought them because he believes the company is undervalued and a strategic target, that he should be required to file. There is no functional difference here. Someone gve him the right to buy the shares at any time. If there is a takeout he will exercise. If he wants to take over the company he will exercise. If he wants a seat on the BOD he will exercise. Because of who he is and what he does and the size of the position, I believe he should have to file a 13D.

      Look at it this way, it would be wrong for him to show up after a deal is made and say "hold on there, I own 10%, I have rights" wouldn't it? So for that reason he should file. It would be unfair to management and other investors to not know someone was aggressively building a way into the company.

      There is no real difference unless NFLX paid a dividend which it won't. He can't vote options at the next shareholder meeting, but for all other purposes its the same. Whether he had 10% stock or 10% options he could sell them later if he wanted to. With options the difference is more subtle. There are a lot of shorts out there, and now 10% of the shares. (and a higher % of the float) needs to be acquired for delivery if Icahn exercises. This will put upside pressure on the stock into 2013 and that is the main reason he did it this way. There are a lot of shorts, and Icahn's move was designed to force long term accumulation and covering which means by the time the options are due to be exercised the share price could be a lot higher. How else will the OMMs deliver 10% of the company shares to him on one day? If the stock is $200 a share on that day, they will hand over $1 billion worth of shares. See the play now? He is squeezing someone in the market too, not just the NFLX board.

    • Abusive insider free option poop wipe paper loot continues and why?

      criminal gang : board of directors/reed hastings/barry mccarty/technology cross ventures and fraud street master mind goldman sachs financial terrorists in bed together...........insider loot ponzi scam..biggest ever in history of usa wall now fraud street casino

      Sentiment: Strong Sell

    • Re: Icahn strike price is.... $36 !!!! Huhhhh ROFLMAO/....
      By singhlion2001 . Oct 31, 2012 8:05 PM . Permalink
      THIS SCAM WAS PLANNED IN BED WITH GOLDMAN SACHS BY CRIMINAL CROOK CARL ICAHN

      THESE SEP 4, 2014 DERIVATIVES ARE NEW AND SYNTHETIC CREATED BY FRAUD BANKSTER LIKELY GOLDMAN SACHS
      CARL ICAHN PLAY BIGGEST FRAUD WITH DERIVATIVES IN NETFLIX FRAUD LOOT SCAM
      Icahn amassed most of his stake through "call options," which confer the right but not the obligation to buy shares at a certain price. It's a way for investors to place a bet on stocks they believe will rise. He has until September 2014 to exercise the option, for which he shelled out $169 million.
      1) Represents shares underlying American-style call options purchased by the applicable Reporting Person in the over the counter market. These call options expire on September 4, 2014.

      (2) This amount represents the cost of an applicable American-style call option to purchase one Share. The per share exercise price of these call options is $36.05. This exercise price will be adjusted to account for any dividends or other distributions declared by the Issuer prior to exercise of the options.
      --------------------

      CRIMINAL CROOK CARL ICAHN DID NOT BUY 10% STAKE BUT A DERIVATIVE FRAUD PALNNED FOR SHORT SQUEEZE IN BED WITH MF CRIMINAL THUG REED HASTINGS/GOLDMAN SACHS SCAM GANG

      Big Naked fraud with 55M+ total shares inn 2012 and 53M+ in 2010/2011

      Massive fraud volume and naked HFT machine guns by Godlman Sachs and criminal thug Nexus Mafia

      Nothing Adds up but MARY SCHAPIRO/ROBERT KHUZAMI CRIMINAL GANG PROVIDING FULL PROTECTION FOR ONGOING MASSIVE LOOT WITH FRAUD PRICE/VOLUME MANIPULATION AND PUMP/DUMP NEWS SPINS WITHOUT ANY FEAR

      THIS CROOK CARL ICAHN CREATED SYNTHETIC DERIVATIVES FOR SEPT 2014 AND HOW THIS SCAM IS LEGAL IN USA?

      THESE CRIMINAL ARE CREATING FRAUD DERIVATIVES WHICH ARE NOT LISTED ON CBOE AND NOT TRADING?

      SEPT 2014 ???

      CBOE HAS ONLY UP TO JAN 2014

      RED ALERT IN USA:
      THIS FRAUD MANIPUALTION LOOT WITH SCAM GANG INSIDER INFORMATION NETWORK LOOT NEED TO BE INVESTIGATED BY DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE/FBI ....MARY SCAHPIRO/ROBERT KHUZAMI/ROBERT COOK SCAM GANG AT S.E.C. NEED TO BE ARRESTED ASAP

      HOME GROWN FINANCIAL AL QAEDA TERRORISTS NETWORKS MUST BE UNMASKED TO SAVE USA 99% WORKING CLASS PENSIONS
      It is all Scam Derivative fraud pump/Dump scam by Carl Icahn in bed with Criminal thug Reed Hastings/Goldman Sachs scam gang
      Hedge Fund News: Carl Icahn, Jim Rogers, BlueMountain
      CVR Investors Add Derivative Claims To Ongoing Icahn Battle(Law360) CVR Energy Inc. investors moved again Tuesday to prevent Carl Icahn from gaining complete control of the oil refiner's stock, adding derivative claims to their putative class action and repeating their call for an injunction to stop him from buying CVR's remaining shares on the cheap. Filed June 5 in Delaware Chancery Court, the original suit accused Icahn of making an unfair power play for CVR's outstanding shares as an acquiescent board left investors to his mercy, and the plaintiffs claim that while the first two...

      HOW CAN THIS CRIMINAL CROOK CARL ICAHN BUY SEPT 2014 CALL OPTIONS, WHEN NO DERIVATIVE IS LISTED BEYOND JAN2014 FOR NETFLIX SCAM?

      CARL ICAHN PLAY BIGGEST FRAUD WITH DERIVATIVES IN NETFLIX FRAUD LOOT SCAM
      Icahn amassed most of his stake through "call options," which confer the right but not the obligation to buy shares at a certain price. It's a way for investors to place a bet on stocks they believe will rise. He has until September 2014 to exercise the option, for which he shelled out $169 million.
      1) Represents shares underlying American-style call options purchased by the applicable Reporting Person in the over the counter market. These call options expire on September 4, 2014.

      (2) This amount represents the cost of an applicable American-style call option to purchase one Share. The per share exercise price of these call options is $36.05. This exercise price will be adjusted to account for any dividends or other distributions declared by the Issuer prior to exercise of the options.

      CARL ICAHN PLAY BIGGEST FRAUD WITH DERIVATIVES IN NETFLIX FRAUD LOOT SCAM
      90% of icahn's stake is CALL options! complete rigged scam of a Pump and Dump
      By cwtripps . 22 minutes ago . Permalink
      guy should be locked up
      he is cashing in right NOW

      RED ALERT IN USA

      THIS WHOLE FRAUD TRADING BEFORE EARNING REPORT AND AFTER EARNING REPORT NEED TO BE INVESTIGATED BY FBI AND DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE

      NETFLIX FRAUD VOLUME AND ONLY 52M+ shares in 2010/11 and 55M+ in 2012 and massive MANIPUALTION by criminal thug Reed Hastings/Goldman Sachs Scam Gang and full protection provided by MAry Shapiro/Robert Khuzami/Robert Cook scam Gang at S.E.C.

      TWO SCAM TRADING MANIPULATED TRADING PITS MUST BE COMPARED AMAZON vs NETFLIX TO UNCOVER ORGANIZED SCAM GANG ON WALL STREET

      CARL ICAHN SCAM GANG JOINED IN THE FRAUD LOOT: fraud trading with Scam gang inside information trading scam loot

      RED ALERT IN USA ; THIS WHOLE FRAUD TRADING BEFORE EARNING REPORT AND AFTER EARNING REPORT NEED TO BE INVESTIGATED BY FBI AND DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE

      ARREST MARY SCHAPIRO/ROBERT KHUZAMI/ROBERT COOKS SCAM GANG AT S.E.C ASAP

      The SEC needs to be abolished altogether. Citizens United has declared that these corporations are citizens, therefore, these cases belong in the criminal courts. If corporations really are citizens, it is wholly inappropriate and unacceptable to have two different systems of justice.

      ARREST MARY SCHAPIRO/ROBERT KHUZAMI/ROBERT COOK/GORDON FULLER SCAM GANG AT S.E.C.: SEND IN NAVY SEALS

      S.E.C: TORA BORA CAVES & HOME GROWN FINANCIAL AL QAEDA LED BANKSTER TERRORISTS IN USA

      SEND IN NAVY SEALS TO SMOKE OUT S.E.C. CRIMINAL WATCH PARASITES TO SAVE WHAT EVER IS LEFT OF USA 99% WORKING CLASS PENSIONS

      NETFLIX WAS INSOLVENT IN 2011 AND IS INSOLVENT NOW BUT MANIPUALTION FRAUD LOOT CONTINUES WITH WEAPONS AND PROTECTION PROVIDED BY ROBERT KHUZAMI CRIMINAL GANG AT S.E.C
      what else is price/volume manipulation fraud??

      ARREST MARY SCHAPIRO/ROBERT KHUZAMI/ROBERT COOK/GORDON FULLER SCAM GANG AT S.E.C.: SEND IN NAVY SEALS

      PROVEN CRIMINALS REED HASTINGS/BARRY McCARTHY/TECHNOLOGY CROSS VENTURES ARE OPERATING AN ORGANZIED LOOT PONZI SCAM VIA NETFLIX(NFLX) ON WALL STREET Organized crime groups are often involved in crimes that are considered white collar offenses. A number of crimes committed by organized groups are done so for the purposes of financial gain. This is called racketeering, which is a felony crime. Characteristics of Organized Crime Groups Organized crime offenses vary greatly, but, there are some generalizations that apply to the groups as a whole. They are all developed based on a hierarchy of power and importance associated with the individuals in the group. They are stable organizations that usually exist over very long periods of time. They may use violence to defend the interests of the group. They usually have political or social protection that keeps them safe from retaliation from the surrounding community, including law enforcement. Their purpose is to accumulate capital which is then reinvested into the operations and businesses run by the group. The majority of organized crime groups operate behind the mask of legitimate businesses. In some cases, their racketeering practices involve the bribery and manipulation of legitimate business owners or public officials. This prevents their racketeering practices from being detected. WHERE IS FBI? DOJ? White-collar crimes cost the United States more than $300 billion annually according to the FBI.
      RED ALERT IN USA: FRAUD LOOT IN BILLIONS AND S.E.C. CRIMINALS STILL PROTECTING CRIMINAL REED HASTINGS SCAM GANG
      And providing all weapons to keep the fraud bubble loot going

      open challenge in USA to debate insolvent netflix insider scam with fraud street crime partners
      Ouch! The Netflix Price-Change Hangover [View article]
      Reed Hasting's is a carnival barker, a mountebank, a flim-flam man, a charlatan and a confidence man. The CFO left the company in January, because he was aware of the fake accounting at NFLX, the lies and the false hype. The Head of investor relations left 3 months ago, because she could no longer lie, about the companies activities and accounting. Both left before any investigation into accounting, or investigation into the manipulation of the stock by hedge funds begins. Goldman Sachs, Morgan Stanley. JP Morgan, Piper Jaffray and many other financial institutions have been colluding to manipulate this stock thru proprietary trading in their hedge funds. Goldman Sachs picked NFLX as their latest Ponzi Scheme, because Reed Hastings is just the perfect Machiavellian con-man. Lloyd Blankfein And Reed Hastings are as thick as thieves. It was Goldman Sachs that forced Facebook executives to add Reed Hasting to their Board of directors, to manipulate the stock price. Reed Hasting is a false Messiah, in league with Goldman Sachs, deceiving Americans, and The indolent regulators who have been paid off by Goldman Sachs. The SEC directors are bribed by Goldman not to do their job, with promises of $4 million a year jobs after they leave the SEC, at banks, the very banks they are supposed to regulate. The SEC is corrupted and compromised by Goldman Sachs, "the Great Deceiver"
      RED ALERT IN USA: FRAUD LOOT IN BILLIONS AND S.E.C. CRIMINALS STILL PROTECTING CRIMINAL REED HASTINGS SCAM GANG

      NETFLIX PUMP/DUMP & PRICE/VOLUME MANIPULATION SCAM PROVEN CRIME SCENE AND FULL PROTECTION PROVIDED BY MARY SCHAPIRO/ROBERT KHUZAMI/ROBERT COOK SCAM GANG AT S.E.C. FOR ALMOST 3 YEARS

      Sentiment: Strong Sell

    • they're in the money, they are probably presumed as being owned if they are in the money for reporting pruposes.

      Sentiment: Strong Sell

    • Options are a type of a derivative. By themselves they are not considered equity in a company. If Icahn has approximately 10% of NFLX, then the SEC means that he has almost 10% in actual stock in addition to the options.

      Sentiment: Sell

 
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