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Energy Transfer Partners, L.P. Message Board

  • chuk_wow_hok_goa chuk_wow_hok_goa Jul 29, 2009 11:13 AM Flag

    Seriously, get out of NG and into Hydrogen

    Regardless of the arguments for and against either LNG or Hydrogen fuel cells, the reality is that Hydrogen Fuel Technologies are being aggressively pursued due to the "GO GREEN" movement. I am not here to argue the merits of which fuel source is better, or more economically sustainable and abundant. I am here to state quite simply that if you are not on board with Hydrogen, then you will miss the boat. Companies whose business model is intimately connected to a dieing commodity (NG), will suffer a long and slow demise as the industry consolidates and only a few strong players survive. I am suspicious of the MLP model as well, as it seems as though the express purpose is not to necessarily provide profits to shareholders, but to provide big $$$ to the partners while insulating them from any liability.

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    • seriously, I converted my auto to being run exclusively on Dog Mucus. My dog, Gargantuan, slobbers like 12 gallons a day. I just tie a bucket under his chin to catch the stuff and it is a relatively easy chemical conversion to make this mucus into a bioslobberdiesel. And the best part, when it burns it smells like Milk Bones.

      • 1 Reply to cptn_buzzkill
      • hydrogen my ass. chuk, why don't you tell your enviromentalist wackos to get a life. they are the ones that F'd up california and as I could remember alaska's bailing them out. california's so broke, they can't even give the tax payers their money and is giving IOU's.
        true, nuke energy burns cleaner than nat gas, but your enviro wacko buddies don't want that either.
        why don't you go back to your acas message board and stop trying to get people to sell so you could get back in

    • Unless there is a miracle breakthrough to produce H2 without burning HC and getting CO2 as a byproduct, H tech is 20-30 years away

    • SERIOUSLY, GET OUT OF THE MLP BOARDS.

    • This hydrogen crap for vehicles etc has been going on for 30+ years now...and all you have to do is ask the question, "When do you think you'll get the price of a hydrogen car down to $20K so we can sell a lot of them?" to see the auto engineers running for the hills. My PhD and 20 years in a global auto supplier firm can tell you flatly it won't happen in the next fifty years. Even the hybrid vehicles are selling chickenfeed numbers in the past 5+ years. The USA has 200+million vehicles on the road today guzzling gas. Even if you had the infrastructure in place it would take 30+ years to even make a dent in this number. So, just take your hydrogen noise back to your little cave and leave this board alone. You are wasting our time and space with your absolute,pathetic raving.

      • 2 Replies to hachi05man
      • Re to: hachi
        "When do you think you'll get the price of a hydrogen car down to $20K so we can sell a lot of them?"

        Maybe more important is, where will the H2 come from?

        And then: if we use less gasoline, why would we use less crude? If we do not use less crude, what is the reason to discuss this?

        Your post is fine, but maybe too good for the chatter on this post.

        -chart-

      • Great post-If the auto companies had made the effort to raise the average mileage per vehicle we would not be in the position we are now. They have always had the technology to do so buth fought the supposed cost increase. They are paying for this with horrific sales and increased competetion. Perception is reality and it will take generations to overcome the belief that they lack a qualtity product.

    • "I am suspicious of the MLP model as well, as it seems as though the express purpose is not to necessarily provide profits to shareholders, but to provide big $$$ to the partners while insulating them from any liability."

      Huh? The owners of the company are the partners.

 
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