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  • normlasky normlasky Oct 21, 2011 7:30 PM Flag

    Question!

    The provision for bad debt for the 3rd qtr. 2011 was $250 million per the statement of income. Multiply it by 4 to annualize it - $1 billion dollars. Bbt loans are about $100 billion. So the provision for bad debt annualized for the 3rd qtr was 1% or 100 basis points.

    Kelly King on the conference call said that the normalized provision for bad debt expense should be in the range of 60 to 80 basis point. Let's call it 70 basis point or .7% of loans. $100 billion in loans multiplied by .7% equals $700 million per year.. Divide by 4 to get a quarterly number - $175 million should be the quarterly provision for bad debt.

    So going forward, the provision will drop from $250 million to $175 million. Charge-off will also drop off to about $175 million per quarter.

    Clark Starnes, the credit czar on the conference call said that bbt would like to have a reserve for bad debts equal to 6 to 8 quarters of charge-offs. Call it 8 quarters of $175 million. The Allowance for bad loan should drop to $1.4 billion, down about $.9 billion from current level. Charge-off will run higher than $175 million for several quarters and will consume most of the $.9 billion.

    Hope this helps.

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    • Thanks norm. Missed the conference call. How much in bad loans did BB&T actually write off in the third quarter? Also, do you have a best case worst case profit estimate for 2012 using present fed funds rate and Kelly King's write off estimate?
      Thanks again.

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      • Make sure you dont forget to factor in the following: QIII total loans were $103.8B, compared to QIII 2010 which was 102.3B, or a 1.5% growth rate. Even though this growth number is terrible, it is not the real story. BB&T chose to hold more of its residential loan production in inventory, rather than sell it, which is why in QIII they are showing an 18% improvement in residential mortgages. If these loans were treated on an apples to apples comparison, that portion of the protfolio would have grown less, if at all.

        This is just another example of skillful manipulation.

        The fact is that the magic $3.0B in "new" residiential mortgages is a phantom number...without it, their total loan portfolio would have been 100.8B, compared to last year's 102.3B, meaning their blance sheet is in fact shrinking on an apples to apples view.

        And finally, one neat piece of information is that mortgage applications are up 87%, but what Management is not clearly articulating is how many of these applications, whether they are for mortages, C&I, or other types of loan, are being turned down by credit. And as we can see above, very few loans are being made, so again, besides LLR manipulation, income here is directly related to churning their cash...not much of a lender. I wonder why they keep so many loan oficers employed when they are not making loans?

        Litmus test in 2012 will be to see how much of the securities portfolio is unwound and the capital is deployed for new lending. No reason to invest here until that inflexion point cometh.

 
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