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  • idoubtitagain idoubtitagain May 5, 2005 8:28 PM Flag

    The Eagle and its pride

    "A country that was one so self reliant and technological superior that it could place men on the moon without gasp, huge numbers of remote non American technicial resources working over the internet"

    If you are old enough to have been around at the time, to watch the Apollo Saturn V rocket with bold red letters, "THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA" thunder from the Cape into the heavens, the Eagle and AMERICAN pride flying high into the sky, proof positive of AMERICAN TECHNOLOGICAL ABILITY, AMERICAN superiority AND AMERICAN DETERMINATION TO GO WHERE NO MAN HAD GONE BEFORE, all to cumulate with a AMERICAN on the MOON, stating "HOUSTON THE EAGLE HAS LANDED".

    THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, at that time the most technological advanced nation on earth, the only nation on earth to have landed men on the moon and safely return them, has turned into a greed ridden globalist dumping ground, a consumer oriented society with no vision of the future beyond what's on sale next week at wallymart, no attention span and goals beyond that of a 12 year old MTV watching punk that only dreams of how he can find a way to afford to buy cheap junk manufactured overseas.

    Damn it, wake up people, IBM prior to 1993 was AMERICA, it was the AMERICA of the past, it reflected the AMERICA of the past and AMERICAN attitudes OF GREATNESS, now IBM in its current state reflects the CURRENT attitude and vision of AMERICA, that WE cannot achive by our own internal self determination and resources, the greatness that once was ours alone that the world envied and can be ours again IF we are determined to do so.

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    • landing...Princess is a Traitor

      If all the BS Princess in all her ID formats could be bagged we could sell it as fertlizer and make more than enough to fund a moon mission.

    • Hey doubtit, since the moron was kind enough to repost my message it reminds me that I never did get a retort from you on that one.

      No comment?

    • Subj: Re: The Eagle and its pride
      By: princess_pompous_assss
      Date: 05/06/05 09:43 pm

      You mean it's too expensive to fill the cargo bay of the shuttle with fuel and take it out a little further?

      I'm not buying it.

      FYI, Van Allen belt altitudes are give here by random house dictionary though I have seen some info that in places they dip much lower:

      "Physics. either of two regions of high-energy-charged particles surrounding the earth, the inner region centered at an altitude of 2000 mi. (3200 km) and the outer region at an altitude between 9000 and 12,000 mi. (14,500 and 19,000 km)"

      Virtually all shuttle missions in 1999 and 2000 reached a maximium altitude of a mere 173 nautical miles.

      Altitudes for 2001 missions are indicated here as 173 - 177 nautical miles and primarily involved in transporting components of the ISS.

      I'd be more inclined to believe they're just worried about all the space junk orbiting at higher altitudes as indicated in this 2002 story about the risk to the ISS, or maybe just ultra high concentrations of cosmic radiation, as the consipiriacy theorists would have us believe:

      BOULDER, COLORADO - Space is hazardous on its own. Nature provides generous doses of vacuum, radiation, micrometeoroids, and extreme conditions of heat and cold. But one class of danger is human-made. Busted up bits of satellites, rocket bodies, and other high-velocity leftovers can ruin your day. Losing an automated spacecraft to a head-on collision with space refuse is one thing. A greater worry is that the International Space Station (ISS) and its crew might encounter an incoming fragment of space flotsam. That was just the concern last November when a Russian satellite broke apart, spreading hundreds of fragments at an altitude just above the ISS. The ISS is a big target for space junk. This diagram shows which areas of the ISS are most vulnerable to impacts from orbital debris.

      So alarmed was NASA about the breakup of the Russian satellite, space debris experts went into scramble mode to ensure that it was okay to launch space shuttle Endeavour on its STS-108 mission to the orbiting complex. A host of new safety issues were flagged due to the Russian satellite breakup. Possible threats to spacewalking astronauts were weighed. Because a space shuttle is less protected from debris impacts contrasted to the partly shielded ISS, assessments were also made regarding problems that Endeavour could face during independent flight throughout its STS-108 trek. A U.S. Space Surveillance Network of sensors that keeps a vigil on satellites and space flotsam worked with NASA to plot out the newly created debris cloud caused by the Russian spacecraft. Once thoroughly reviewed, risks were judged to be within NASA guidelines. STS-108 was sent on its way. This behind-the-scenes saga, however, underscores the menace posed by space debris - a problem likely to linger for many years to come.

      The scientists found that objects are concentrated at about 500 miles (800 kilometers) up, and again at 930 miles (1,500 kilometers). Another group of objects is located in geostationary orbit, about 22,300 miles (35,900 kilometers) above Earth, where important communication and weather satellites orbit in perches fixed over a given spot on the ground. At this altitude, there is not enough atmospheric drag to tug at space debris and pull it down.

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    • If all the BS Princess in all her ID formats could be bagged we could sell it as fertlizer and make more than enough to fund a moon mission.

    • Yeah I'm sure you don't get any without paying for it.

      They probably charge you double for having to put up with all your whining.

    • Whore College Offers Hands-On Training

      By LISA LEFF, Associated Press WriterFri May 6, 5:40 PM ET
      It's higher education of the horizontal variety. About 25 sex workers went to a college of sorts, sitting through lectures on effective marketing, stress reduction and condom-application skills.
      "We are still illegal," instructor Kimberlee Cline said before her 20-minute demonstration. "If we want to be treated as business professionals, we need to act ethically within the industry."
      Other cities, including Tucson, Ariz., Portland, Ore., Montreal and Taipei, Taiwan, have similar events, said organizer Carol Leigh.
      Presented in conjunction with the San Francisco Sex Worker Film and Arts Festival, the class Wednesday at an erotic art gallery was billed as a way for working girls and guys to polish their skills in a supportive atmosphere.
      It was the first time the biennial festival, begun in 1999 to showcase films about and by sex workers, included a session devoted to how to maintain a satisfying career.
      "My own personal experience has been negative and positive, as with any job," said Kymberly Cutter, 36, a mother of two from Tucson who returned to prostitution two years ago to boost her income and regards it as part of a journey in "personal self-discovery." Her children, ages 7 and 9, know what she does for a living, she said.
      Participants who stuck it out for the whole day received diplomas certifying them as G.S.W � graduates in sex work.

    • You're being silly.

      I'm not talking about taking the damn thing to the moon just a few hundred miles out or maybe a thousand. I'm no rocket scientist but I'm guessing it wouldn't even require much fuel once they reach low earth orbit they could probably coast 1000 miles in a matter of minutes couldn't they? I can get a 400 mile range out of the 18 gallon gas tank in my vette for chrissakes. How far do you think it could go in a zero gravity, zero drag environment? How many thousands of gallons of fuel do you think the shuttle bay could hold? And wasn't that a consideration in the original design of the thing? As I recall it was designed to carry extra fuel tanks or a significant payload into space.

      It wouldn't be necessary to redesign anything nor would it cost hardly anything to put a little extra fuel in the cargo bay and fly it a measly few hundred miles higher. There's a reason why this hasn't been done and you might as well admit that you are unable to explain it.

    • "You mean it's too expensive to fill the cargo bay of the shuttle with fuel and take it out a little further?"

      "I'm not buying it."

      I am sure that NASA would be highly interested if you wanted to "buy it" and fund a project for a total redesign of the shuttle to allow deep space exploration, to kick off your proposal and to get things off the ground so to speak , contact NASA with your proposal along with one billion dollars of project start up capital.

    • Princess,
      The Shuttle is designed as a low altitude, "truck" with short mission times, designed to support and ferry equipment, to low altitude hardware like the Hubble Space telescope and the Space Station, it is not designed to allow it to engage in deep space exploration.

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