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  • johnsebastianfigglewortdathird johnsebastianfigglewortdathird Dec 31, 2000 6:03 PM Flag

    United Programmers and Tech. Workers,

    you have the power, you have the technology, you
    have the encryption programs. It is time to organize
    to prevent us from becoming wage slaves and watching
    our standard of living erode as the upper 1/10 of 1%
    get fatter and fatter at our expense. It is time we
    took the power from the rich brats and got fair pay
    for a good hour of work. Everything stops if we
    organize and decide to go on strike: Everything. That is
    the ultimate bargening Chip that organized labor will
    realize in the 21st century. That is a bargening chip
    never before seen in the history of the world and it
    will happen sooner or later. It is only a matter of
    time.

    In the 1950's it took only one wage earner to
    support a family and been middle class. We now work like
    dogs, both parents struggling to survive for what. The
    standard of living of the American worker has gone to
    shit. Both Husband and Wife have to work for a living
    where 35 years ago only one did. The bottom line is the
    youth of America have it hard not because of the media,
    but because the owners of the Corporations of the
    United States Demand that both parents work to maintain
    the standard of living that in the past took only one
    parent. Thats a fact. If wages kept up with inflation
    from the 50's the average salary of a head of
    household would be 100-150,000 dollars across every
    household in America. The wealth has increased with
    inflation since the 50's except the distribution in the
    United States has decreased. Only the Programmers and
    Technical workers have the Ultimate Bargening Chip to stop
    everything. We must unite and we now have the ability to
    communicate with each other in a way that cannot be broken.
    The encryption programs have given the ultimate power
    of free communication to the average workers of the
    United States and the Internet is the means by which we
    can organize! It is time to form our own union and
    kick a little financial butt!

    The owners of the
    large corporations will fight us tooth and nail but
    eventually they will loose. We are smarter and we control
    the technolgy because we are smarter.

    300
    years of country club inbreeding has made your average
    venture capitalist stupid like the purebred dogs they
    keep that piss on themselves when a car alarm goes
    off.

    Welcome to the begining of the 21 century and
    2001.
    ....
    ....

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    • I grew up in 40s & 50s and I really believe the
      difference today is GREED. I was typical middle class. One
      bath, one car, one TV, little/no fast food etc. Today
      starter home has 2 1/2 baths, two sports cars, designer
      clothes, reservations. There's your difference. Let's
      organize, destroy inititive and become socialists.

      • 2 Replies to usmc60
      • As a proud IBMer, and seeing what "unions" have
        done to America (wrecked the US Automotive advantage
        in the 1970's, wrecked US Steel in 1983, wrecked
        many mass transit operations across the USA including
        MUNI in SF, wrecked ten of the largest and oldest
        FAMILY owned construction companies in the US in
        1982)

        IBM does not need a Union. IBM programmers are some
        of the highest paid in the industry, and besides,
        growing up in Socialist/Communist Poland I would never
        want to live in such fear ever again.

        Fellow
        Americans, how can you want socialism, it is a thug form of
        power. You who have nevered lived it have no idea.

      • USMC: I readed several postes from you and you
        use the word "Socialists" when there are concepts
        that you may not agreed with. I would like to ask you
        what do you know about SOCIALISTS? Also I'm too young
        to know about McCathist(?) can you also tell me
        about that too?

        I will tell you couple of
        things:
        First: GREED one main human characteristic
        driving free market in a capitalist society. Socialists
        concept try to eliminate the GREEDY human characteristic
        and that is one of the cause for their failure IMHO.


        Second: Socialist Goverment do not allow anyone to
        organize any group except for their own party! so tell me
        how do you link union organize and with Socialist?


        BTW, the way Mr Gerstner conduct his business toward
        IBM employees is similar to the way China Goverment
        control their peoples....This just my observation....

    • Your post was a good one! You're right about having goals.

      Is it really "illegal" to work until 3am in France? That seems strange.

    • Jetskiman: When an individual with as much power
      as Mr Gerstner, and conduct like him, the public
      should pay very close attention to what he do, rendering
      little of my time to study and make public awareness of
      his conduct is a responsibilty to some degree.


      Althought I do not currently buy into GoldenOwl (one
      again!) story, but I cannot completely discount it, I
      have my reasons to believe Mr Gerstner is able to do
      that kinda things. Just think, if there is only one in
      a million chances (from my point of view the chance
      is much higher that.) that the issue is true, not
      only Goldenowl family was harmed, but almost 300
      millions American are at risk to some degree, and if he
      can do this sort of things what else can he do to get
      a few more billions?

      After all, IBM, under
      Mr Gerstner leadership, did sell/transfered
      restricted technology to countries that are not view as US
      friends (to say the least) you know this fact as much as
      I do and since you are insider, you may even know
      more than I do.

    • Still using the craft union tactics, the IBM
      union is not based on the craft model. Why are all the
      IT companies demanding more and more H1B via workers
      and not the "down sized" US experts. OSHA needs to
      look into the safty of the employees better then they
      do now, maybe there would not be as many lawsuits.

    • Are you worried about your pension? Well,
      remember senior IBMers don't hve much of a pension. Their
      money is made in stock options...check Gerstner and
      Ricciardi (the lawyer)....In fact, I would be surprised if
      the IBM pension is still around after five
      years.

      If the Gerstner crew can sell out the USA....and get
      away with it...what can they do to you???...I know
      what they did to BBE.

      Today IBM is watching
      like a hawk...but the owl is to wise for the
      wiseguys...


      ss07.ny.us.ibm.com - - [09/Jan/2001:10:00:21 -0500] "GET
      /dominica.html HTTP/1.0" 200 52168
      "http://messages.yahoo.com/bbs?.mm=FN&action=m&board=4686902&tid=ibm&sid=4686902&
      mid=68555
      " "Mozilla/4.7 [en] (Win95; U)"

    • I agree 100% that people need to save
      independently. IBM's 401K plan and the matching funds is a great
      vehicle for that.

      As far as IBM being able to come
      into my Cash Pension fund and removing a portion at
      their whim, that's a new one on me. I'd sure like to
      see that in writing.

      As far as the overage in
      the pension fund, I agree that retirees want that
      overage to be distributed to them. But, it's those same
      people who would demand that IBM make up the difference
      if the fund's investments fell short.

      As far
      as the "lifetime medical benefits", that's an
      interesting discussion that hits all of us. To me, since I
      only pay a small fraction of what the coverage would
      cost and IBM pays the rest, I personally consider that
      a medical benefit. Nobody ever promised me that it
      would be "free", just that I would have
      benefits.

      Now all of this ties back to people thinking a union
      will help. I'm not sure how a union will help the
      pension fund since I constantly read in the newspaper
      about how various union pension funds are going broke
      and how the money is misappropriated. My ex
      father-in-law was in a union and had a pension for life. Then
      union pension fund ran out of money and now he receives
      NOTHING! Nada... Zilch!

    • I doubt that's how the conversation went. Here's
      my guess....

      Dr: Hi, I'm Dr so-and-so, what's
      your name?
      kiki: Mr Gerstner stole my
      pension
      Dr: Huh?
      kiki: IBM changed the pension plan
      Dr:
      What does that have to do with your name?
      kiki: IBM
      sucks
      Dr: Can we please get past your name?
      kiki: Mr
      Gerstner makes too much money
      Dr: Do you have a
      family?
      kiki: Mr Gerstner doesn't care about my family
      Dr:
      Can we talk about something other than Mr
      Gerstner?
      kiki: Why, Mr Gerstner's a thief
      Dr: Is it warm
      outside?
      kiki: Mr Gerstner has no respect for the
      individual.
      Dr: I give up, that will be $200 please.

    • USMC, I vote against all proposals that the BoD
      submit, and I also vote for those that are submitted by
      shareholders, that make sense. The problem is that as
      individual shareholders, our voices are lost to the roar of
      the investment community that almost always votes
      with the BoD. Unfortunately, Kiki is right, a union is
      the best way for workers to have a voice in what
      happens to their compensation.
      P.S. Did you vote for
      Jimmy Lea's proposal on last years shareholder ballot?
      Thank you, if the answer is yes.

    • Rightttttt. Still using the craft union scare tactics. Funny IBM is unionized in France, Germany, Italy, Japan, Spain, as well as Canada. Last time I looked IBM was an INTERNATIONAL company.

    • P. So what is the problem?
      K. Well that what
      I want to ask you. Do I have problem, and do I need
      therapy for it, and what kind of therapy do I need?

      P. Well, tell you the trust, I don't think you have
      problem, I mean I don't think you need any treatment.....

      P. What you did, I think is a good thing for
      yourself and your family....
      K. I don't understand
      it....
      P. I mean you have problem with the way
      someone to do things, and you looking for a way to get it
      out of your system, which is good for you, because if
      you let it bottle up, it is have long term negative
      effect to your well being, so just continue to let it
      out of your system....
      P. More so, you put your
      opinions in a public view and not take it out on your
      family so you did the right thing.... and if your
      opinions about this guy is right, someone may do something
      about that too so it may be a good things.....


      P. You say he run a company?
      K. Yes....
      P.
      Well, if more people talking about him he may change
      the way he do things....
      K. But I think his
      company may tracking who posts messages, so the people
      working for his company may not want to post their
      opinions in fear of retaliation, just me thinking.... you
      know.
      P. Well, this is none of my business, but
      company should not try to stop people from express their
      opinions, specially the negative opinions, like I say about
      you, how you get it out of your system..... if company
      try stop employees from talking, it only build up and
      it is not good for the company or employees, it may
      create work place problems...., lot of liabilities!


      P. Anything else?
      K. That all doc.
      P. you
      want us to bill your insurance?
      K. (think it only
      short conversation so it is not that much) No no, just
      chart to my card. How much is that doc?
      P. It only
      couple hundreds, can we have your card number please?

      K..........Okay, thanks Doc. :(

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