during my 6 years with them, in two different
divisions, treats employees with little or no
during my six years with
them, in two different divisions, they treated their
employees with little or no loyalty.
Correct, there is no "e" in the
spelling of "coming" And "is" is not spelled "ID" and
"Seemsfunny" is two words. Just a typo, in each case, I'm
I was not a contractor with CSC, I was an
employee. If I wanted to contract, I would have contracted,
not hired on (still don't contract).
offered a job with the "new" contractor. Benefits were
not comparable, no raises in the offers. I wanted to
stay the 6 or so more months until I was fully vested
in the stock matching. I wanted to work for CSC, not
But, all those reasons are besides the point. The
point I was looking to make is that, during my 6 years
with them, in two different divisions, treats
employees with little or no loyalty. Go back and read my
message again - the company management laid off a large
group at Christmas time and during the ramp up for the
RIF they made it very difficult for anyone on this
contract to interview elsewhere inside the company. Bad
business practice and it was one of the reasons I left.
What contract was this?
Why were you not
picked up by the new contractor
Losing contracts is part of contracting. You win for a
period of time. If you don't successfully recompete you
either rollover to the new company, find a job with the
same company somewhere else or you get laid off.
BTW there id no "e" in coming.
I own a little CSC stock - left over from my 401k
match. But I don't follow the company.
CSC for about 6 years. Absolutely do not agree with
the smuck/manager (I was a manager, BTW) that says
"The CSC *I* knows treats employees as valuable
partners and human beings"
He and I worked for
different companies. I remember them bidding on a contract,
blowing it (which had to be REALLY hard to do) and
refusing to let anyone interview internally until they
lost the contract. Then, they laid off the everyone on
the contract at Christmas time (a couple weeks
before), sh#t serverance, and to top it all off, they had
100's of open positions "just down the road", in the
same field and interviewed...maybe 5 or 10 out of 200
laid off.....no management mandate to interview and
try to make room for the associates comeing off the
failed contract re-bid.
I know that the message
above is somewhat stream-of-conscience, but frankly I
just care enough to but THAT much effort into more
good luck with the stock, but I
don't suggest you work there......
I apologize for starting such an acrimonious
dialogue on this bb. However, the only way to be
successful as a programmer/analyst in CSC/FSG is to be
billable. As soon as my billable project ended, I and
several others were given notice because our positions
were deleted. This follows the trend of the past three
or four FSG layoffs. Everybody let go was in a
My request for information on a
class-action lawsuit concerned the much touted FSG
"Partnership 2000" program which was designed to keep us from
walking out the door to seek better opportunities
elsewhere during a time when FSG management was extremely
concerned about all the skilled people who were being lost
due to poor morale.
I and many others believe
that it is breach of contract for the funds to be
withheld after receiving correspondence stating that
several thousands of dollars were being "held in escrow"
If this is not actionable, so be it,
but, regardless of the caustic comments on this board,
I continue to believe that it is in my best
interest to attempt to seek information about
So, please, if you have any information, pro or con,
let me know.
If all you want to do is critize,
please do not bother to respond. Your restraint will be
Since I am 61, I am retired fron one job, after
37 years and am currently working at
How many friends I do or do not have is none of your
But, I have no respect, or paitence with
whiners. Yes you are right all companies do not do the
right thing, but most are not stupid enough to leave
themselves open to class-action law suits.
opinion of my intelligence or lack of it, is of
absolutely NO concern to me.
There is a place and time for everything. Stock
boards, in my opinion, are not the places to air ones
dirty laundry. We've been bored with all this fussing
back and forth and threats of lawsuits. I feel sorry
for anyone who gets laid off, but I'm not going to
selfishly infringe on the entire world with my personal
problems. If people can't handle or get out and find other
employment, then they either need to find a "shrink" or find
a society that raises people from cradle to grave
(also known as socialism).
Hey, that swamp is a
nice place to live. Try it sometime.............See
when you're an idiot and moron you can write stuff
Now you have a good day, ok??
I have not gotten laid off, just stating my
opinion about how some on this board have little
compassion for people who have been laid off. I've been laid
off before and it was a difficult time in the early
80's to find a freak'in job during all the downsizing.
Companies do not always do good by thier workers. If you
think so, your a freak'n idiot. Sometimes a suit is the
only thing that causes companies to reevaluate their
policies. Next time, read the post more carefully you
moron. Now crawl back into the swamp where you belong.
Hey, sorry you took my note to be "talking down"
to the person who reported they had been "given
their walking papers" from CSC. It certainly was not my
intent to talk down to that person - I wanted to help.
From the post, it wasn't clear to *me* that he/she
wasn't still employed at CSC. Either way, there are
things that can be done to help get a job - which must
be the goal of someone laid
Unfortunately, not everyone knows what's available to them - the
Transfers & Relocation DB is a pretty good tool for getting
Regarding my suggestion that the
person contact his/her current or prior supervisors for
a letter of recommendation - it is a good piece of
advice! I can imagine that in the trauma of being laid
off (its happened to me), you might be so angry at
the company that you'd overlook something that could
help you get another job. And, if this person's
anything like me, they're not anywhere near ready to
retire, so *need* a job.
Regarding the advice on
avoiding lawyers for labor disputes based on layoff -
that's only my opinion based on experience. I've seen
folks lose big bucks engaging attorneys, to no avail -
the only ones who won were the lawyers. And as for
class action suits - every one to which I have ever
been a party has provided bupkus for me, and big bucks
for the law firms.
My comments about how to
succeed at CSC were intended for the poster assuming
he/she was given notice of layoff but not yet laid off.
My intention was to offer some advice for when
he/she was interviewed for another
Finally, yes, I am a manager, but began my career as a
humble engineer - but I think of myself as a CSC
employee, and not a management-type. The CSC *I* knows
treats employees as valuable partners and human beings.
I felt bad that the poster had been laid off (or
whatever - I wasn't sure) and wanted to help. Still do, in
Frankly, sometimes I was I *was* stupid. I'd care
Have a safe and Happy New Year, if you can. Try to