Pacific Ethanol, Inc. (PEIX) Message Board
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Cellulosic ethanol is nearer than you think?
Would it take just one pilot plant success to kick start this? PEIX has one pilot plant running in Oregon.
http://www.contrarianprofits.com/articles/how-to-profit-from-the-next-energy-bubble-cellusolic-ethanol/5378
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11 Companies Racing to Build U.S. Cellulosic Ethanol Plants
http://earth2tech.com/2008/06/03/12-companies-racing-to-build-cellulosic-ethanol-plants-in-the-us/ -
- 2 Replies to ethanol_ecologist
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You get a 5 star rating edna
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Ah yes this is good news ...
>>>"A few companies have opened pilot plants to make cellulosic but no
commercial amounts of the fuel are being made. The industry risks failing the
U.S. Renewable Fuels Standard, which requires the blending of 100 million
gallons of cellulosic into the country's gasoline pool next year."<<<
This is an understatment, currently they are only producing 3M gallons a year.
Hey, I thought you were an ecologist, how do you feel about all the sulphuric acid needed for cellulosic ethanol?
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You are right. A single plant will not be enough. but a few comments:
1- cellulosic technology as installed in Oregon is an ADDED process step to yield 10% from the same corn and / or take in a different feed.
2- Back in the plannig phase ( 1Q08), the statement was made that this could be replicated in other PEIX plants.
Now, would you know it? If the pilot is a success, and with stimulus funds, other plants can be modified!!- 1 Reply to elahens
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This is a good one. I hear Obama has set aside funds for building renewable energy infrastructure and ecosystem. So far, I know it's in the form of tax rebates for people installing solar panels.
I will go find out if portions of the funds is allocated for ethanol.
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one year of college chemistry should tell you that cellulosic ethanol is very doubtful technically and extremely doubtful economically. Good luck suckers!
- 2 Replies to wheelbarrowme
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I have taken General Chem 1&2, Organic Chem 1&2 and Physical Chem and microbiolgy. And 2 more years of chemistry research on bio-diesel from edible oil. Nothing in it tell me that cellulosic ethanol is impossible.
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I had General Chemistry, Organic Chemistry, Researched Chemistry, taken all the cehmistry classes University had to offer, and worked on bio-diesel research from renewable resources for my Master thesis. I also had micro biology. Microbs are amazing organism.
I not only think this is possible. It will become reality.
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settle down. Cellulosic is 10-infinity years away. Besides, even if it could be done, you'd have to produce 400,000,000 gallons a DAY. Then, the cost of refining cellulosic would result in $10/gallon ethanol.
Yea, looking good.- 2 Replies to rothschild1234
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Cellulosic ethanol could compete with gas, study says
http://news.cnet.com/8301-11128_3-10161369-54.html
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I will reply to this when I have published data to back up how soon Cellulosic become reality.
In the mean time, I can see this trend forming.
2. Now that Obama get into office and in power.
Velero start investing, bidding and buying ethanol plants.
POET started Pilot plant this year.
People have a vested interest in oil know the politician in power is on the Ethanol side.
I am a contrarian, btw.
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POET just opens its pilot plant while PEIX already have its pilot plant running for about a year now. Hope PEIX is leading the way.
http://uk.reuters.com/article/environmentNews/idUKTRE50B6ZF20090112
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