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  • pantone101naturalblondie pantone101naturalblondie Dec 18, 2008 11:06 PM Flag

    (Market related) The labyrinth (1)

    PE, this thread has so many different subject lines that I'm making it a new topic. I'm replying to your 03:04 pm post "Re: Cyber Monday BEATLES DVD almost-giveaway" (198263) at

    http://messages.finance.yahoo.com/Stocks_%28A_to_Z%29/Stocks_A/threadview?m=tm&bn=700&tid=197015&mid=198263

    http://messages.finance.yahoo.com/Stocks_%28A_to_Z
    %29/Stocks_A/threadview?m=tm&bn=700&tid=
    197015&mid=198263

    >>Depends on how determined he is [to control via the global warming hoax] . . . he can turn the whole thing over to Carol Browner at the EPA and tell her to go make mincemeat of all the CO2 polluters. That is congress can't stop him and the people can't stop him from 'saving the planet' at the expense of the economy if he wants to. License fees are exactly the same as taxes. He can make it too expensive to make electricity, heat your house, drive, eat, and breathe.<<

    I just went to Drudge to see what relevant headlines might be there, and what does the banner headline say in all caps italicized? "STORMS TARGET MAJOR CITIES COAST TO COAST":

    <
    The near-constant parade of storms that began last week will continue to spread a nasty mix of rain, ice and snow across the country right up until Christmas Eve.

    The recent storm in the Southwest and a new storm in the Northwest have dropped phenomenal snowfall in some areas. Dry, desert areas that typically see little or no snow through the entire winter have been buried by heavy snow from these single storms.

    Snow is being measured in feet over interior Washington, while the ground was blanketed with snow in southern Nevada.

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    • pantone101naturalblondie pantone101naturalblondie Jan 16, 2009 1:57 PM Flag

      >>I think FDR did something for them later on.<<

      Good. Funny the government quelled that march but did not quell the Hispanics' march the day they all played hooky frorm their illegal employment.

      >>And put gays in the military. It's a good way to make the military a ragtag collection of misfits who don't want to be there. Debilitating indeed.<<

      I know he wants to abolish the "Don't ask, don't tell" policy, but now he wants to recruit gays? Or have I misunderstood your comment?

      >>No . . . don't know why [the short interest for SAI is UP 25.1%]. It's unlikey Obama is going to cut military spending when his whole plan is to increase government spending without regard to the debt. SAI was pushing $20 there for a while,maybe they figured it was too high.<<

      Do you remember that there are one or two high-level defense programs he talked about slashing? IBD wrote an editorial about the first one, and I think the second slash I read about is a different program.

      In trying to find the name(s) of the progrram(s) I'm remembering, I came to an article in a Marine Corps. publication that says:

      <The $12.8 billion in military and veterans construction programs included in an $825 billion economic recovery package unveiled Jan. 15 may be one of the few areas of bipartisan agreement in the bill.

      The construction money — $1 billion for veterans hospitals and cemeteries, $7.5 billion in new military construction and $4.5 billion to improve existing facilities — is part of an economic stimulus plan that aims to create jobs, cut taxes by about $275 billion, and add benefits and health care for the unemployed.>

      http://www.marinecorpstimes.com/news/2009/01/military_defense_projects_stimulus_011609w/

      http://www.
      marinecorpstimes.com/news/2009/01/
      military_defense_projects_stimulus_011609w/

      The article details all kinds of military construction. So Obama is increasing military spending where it means more jobs. Do you know whether defense spending is included anywhere in that bill?

    • >>Those poor Bonus Marchers! Did they ever get their bonuses?<<

      I think FDR did something for them later on.

      >>Now Rangel is waiting for the "economic stimulus" to pass so he can reintroduce his legislation to reinstitute the draft. How will that fit in with Obama's plan to debilitate the military? . . .<<

      And put gays in the military. It's a good way to make the military a ragtag collection of misfits who don't want to be there. Debilitating indeed.

      >> . . are you aware that the short interest for SAI is UP 25.1%?!<<

      No . . . don't know why. It's unlikey Obama is going to cut military spending when his whole plan is to increase government spending without regard to the debt. SAI was pushing $20 there for a while,maybe they figured it was too high.

      >> . . . Are those short interests [AKAM, GOOG, LLNW] down because less trading is taking place?<<

      Probably because they have all gone down so much they aren't great shorts anymore.

    • pantone101naturalblondie pantone101naturalblondie Jan 15, 2009 2:17 PM Flag

      >>He wouldn't have to, he could call up the regular army to quell an uprising. It's been done before. Herbert Hoover in 1932 called out the army (led by a young general Douglas MacArthur and assisted by Major George S. Patton) to put down the WWI Bonus Marchers (who had been stiffed by the government of the bonuses promised them for their duty in WWI). Of course, they can only do that without an excuse in Washington DC . . . but excuses are easy to come by, witness Waco Texas.<<

      Those poor Bonus Marchers! Did they ever get their bonuses?

      Now Rangel is waiting for the "economic stimulus" to pass so he can reintroduce his legislation to reinstitute the draft. How will that fit in with Obama's plan to debilitate the military? That reminds me, are you aware that the short interest for SAI is UP 25.1%?!

      http://knobias.com/story.htm?eid=3.1.4881e16dea47500fa372992a5779f93502069df133d271994e8dbb6333d6a075

      http://
      knobias.com/story.htm?eid=
      3.1.4881e16dea47500fa372992a5779f
      93502069df133d271994e8dbb6333d6a075

      I don't see peace pervading the world. Have SAI traders been reading Obama's plans?

      Much better, GOOG's short interest is down 14.0%. AKAM's is down 8.5%, but LLNW's is 'downer', 10.0%. Are those short interests down because less trading is taking place?

    • >> . . . So what occurred to me is, might Obama be preparing this 'homeland security force' as his own personal stealth militia because he anticipates the need to quell the uprisings against him and his government that have been discussed?<<

      He wouldn't have to, he could call up the regular army to quell an uprising. It's been done before. Herbert Hoover in 1932 called out the army (led by a young general Douglas MacArthur and assisted by Major George S. Patton) to put down the WWI Bonus Marchers (who had been stiffed by the government of the bonuses promised them for their duty in WWI). Of course, they can only do that without an excuse in Washington DC . . . but excuses are easy to come by, witness Waco Texas.

      >>I still maintain it was about as fair as the Fairness Doctrine. . . .<<

      When the state figures they own all the wealth and are just letting you use it, anything they decide to do is fair.

    • pantone101naturalblondie pantone101naturalblondie Jan 14, 2009 3:21 PM Flag

      >>I don't think anyone really knows what it's for . . . it's vaguely a homeland security force, that could mean anything.<<

      Something occurred to me when I read your words. As you're aware, there has been quite a bit of talk about citizens rising up, armed, to take back America's government because of the concerted effort of the federal and state representatives, lawmakers, et al. — from the highest offices (POTUS and VPOTUS) to the clerks in the Supreme Court and lower — to not only ignore the Constitution but to act against it. There was even a judge who let another judge's illegal campaign contributions to Obama slide because she was ignorant of the rule/law!

      It's virtually certain that Obama and his 'advisors' read the blogs; in fact someone posting at Berg's blog was suspected of beingn Michelle. And sites are scrubbed of certain information. The talk of uprising has increased as the inauguration has neared. So what occurred to me is, might Obama be preparing this 'homeland security force' as his own personal stealth militia because he anticipates the need to quell the uprisings against him and his government that have been discussed?

      >>You're taxed on the value on a particular day of the year. In Florida it was January 1.<<

      I still maintain it was about as fair as the Fairness Doctrine. Values can dive or skyrocket in a single day. And a longterm investor like you can be taxed at the peak of the market's performance but not cash in your stocks till they've gone through the ACORN purge.

      >>They didn't care about Obama being a socialist, they'll not make a fuss over this.<<

      Absolutely no doubt. Obama is even now advocating for the purification of Geithner's "innocent mistake." What was one of his major campaign promises . . . to clean the corruption out of Washington?

    • >>That force is supposed to oversee people's workplaces, too?! . . .<<

      I don't think anyone really knows what it's for . . . it's vaguely a homeland security force, that could mean anything.

      >> . . . I wonder _how_ taxing an ephemeral entity can be legal, . . .<<

      You're taxed on the value on a particular day of the year. In Florida it was January 1.

      >>FrontPage is another that's reporting it [Carol Browner is a socialist].<<

      They didn't care about Obama being a socialist, they'll not make a fuss over this.

    • pantone101naturalblondie pantone101naturalblondie Jan 13, 2009 3:14 PM Flag

      >>I don't think he'd have to worry about volunteers. The chance to enforce conformity in the worker's paradise would be irresitible to some.<<

      That force is supposed to oversee people's workplaces, too?! I thought it was just the 'streets', to 'augment' municipalities' police forces. Whew.

      >>They definitely had it in Florida . . . I had to pay it. If it was legal here it must be legal federally.<<

      I don't doubt Florida had it, I'm questioning the legality of such a tax. Stock values change from minute to minute, and a rumor can radically accelerate the change in either direction. I wonder _how_ taxing an ephemeral entity can be legal, what arguments for it those tax creators employed.

      Were you able to lessen your penalty in any way, say by selling at a favorable time?

      For how long was that 'law' in force? Do you remember what finally shot it down? Florida didn't subject the monied snowbirds to that tax too, did it? Or did it find an alternative?

      I had my own experience with Florida's legal system. On my way back up north, a state trooper awarded me a traffic ticket that I felt was not deserved. So I pled my case via a letter. The judge agreed with me . . . and then charged me, for availing myself of the court's offer to defend myself, the exact amount of the ticket!

      >>Sort of, as of Jan 1 each year.<<

      Sure. That's usually when stocks are bur$ting with holiday cheer. :-(

      >>Socialists operate on the idea that the state owns everything. They just let you keep some things, sometimes.<<

      The thought occurs to me that Socialist government — and our current government — is white collar mafia.

      Speaking of Socialists, have you seen IBD's editorial?

      <Is anyone surprised that the would-be czarina of federal climate and energy policy has ties to a socialist group?

      . . .

      The public, however, knows little or nothing about her work with Socialist International, a group that describes itself as a worldwide organization of social democratic, socialist and labor parties that envisions a "new, democratic world society" and typically takes anti-U.S. positions.>

      http://www.investors.com/editorial/editorialcontent.asp?secid=1501&status=article&id=316656562454429

      http://www.
      investors.com/editorial/editorialcontent.asp
      ?secid=1501&status=article&id=316656562454429

      FrontPage is another that's reporting it.

    • >> . . . The idea of forced service for civilians very unused to conscription won't fly. Has Obama said whether he intends to make his civilian corps mandatory? If so, could it even be constitutional? I think I read somewhere that it wouldn't be.<<

      I don't think he'd have to worry about volunteers. The chance to enforce conformity in the worker's paradise would be irresitible to some.

      >>How could such an 'intangibles tax' even be legal to begin with?! . . .<<

      They definitely had it in Florida . . . I had to pay it. If it was legal here it must be legal federally.

      >> . . .Did Florida's creative legislators time the valuation to coincide with the Santa Claus rallies? :-[<<

      Sort of, as of Jan 1 each year.

      >>And ANY death tax is a farce. The person who died already paid taxes on his estate contents. . . .<<

      Socialists operate on the idea that the state owns everything. They just let you keep some things, sometimes.

    • pantone101naturalblondie pantone101naturalblondie Jan 12, 2009 5:12 PM Flag

      >>You know he'll try. I don't think it will be a popular idea, especially if it looks like a federal police force.<<

      I don't think I've read a conservative comment on it that didn't compare it to Hitler's civilian whateverhecalledit. And how many years have passed since there's been a draft here? The idea of forced service for civilians very unused to conscription won't fly. Has Obama said whether he intends to make his civilian corps mandatory? If so, could it even be constitutional? I think I read somewhere that it wouldn't be.

      >>No, and I don't think it impossible that Obama will make some sort of Wealth grab. He's already said the death tax is staying and I wouldn't be surprised if it was made a higher percentage and smaller deductable. I wouldn't even put it past him to simply take a percentage of all semi liquid wealth, i.e. what used to be called an 'intangibles taz' here in Florida before they abolished it . . . a tax on the value of all your stocks, bonds, CDs, and other financial instruments.<<

      How could such an 'intangibles tax' even be legal to begin with?! The value of those instruments goes up and down! Did Florida's creative legislators time the valuation to coincide with the Santa Claus rallies? :-[

      And ANY death tax is a farce. The person who died already paid taxes on his estate contents. I think some government laws are utterly wicked.

    • >> . . . Is Obama's civilian corps (or whatever he calls it) going to become a reality?<<

      You know he'll try. I don't think it will be a popular idea, especially if it looks like a federal police force.

      >>Do you think the fourteen intervening years have been enough for the scheme (to pay income tax on your home's imputed income) to be forgotten? I don't think I've ever heard of a gouge scheme so maliciously creative.<<

      No, and I don't think it impossible that Obama will make some sort of Wealth grab. He's already said the death tax is staying and I wouldn't be surprised if it was made a higher percentage and smaller deductable. I wouldn't even put it past him to simply take a percentage of all semi liquid wealth, i.e. what used to be called an 'intangibles taz' here in Florida before they abolished it . . . a tax on the value of all your stocks, bonds, CDs, and other financial instruments.

      >>Do you have a [inflation?] figure in mind?....<<

      If he spends trillions we will likely go back to Jimmy Carter inflation which I think was around 12%-13%

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