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  • moreironic3000 moreironic3000 Dec 22, 2005 7:28 AM Flag


    He's had his 15 minutes and he's managed to defame an otherwise solid career. Too bad.

    Murtha Gets Mixed Response From Constituents

    Associated Press Writer
    Dec 21 8:47 PM US/Eastern

    JOHNSTOWN, Pa. - The John Murtha who came home from Vietnam as a Marine hero deeply impressed Bob Krug, a Korean War-era vet. Today, Rep. Murtha is advocating that American troops be brought home from Iraq and Krug, 70, feels betrayed.

    "I believed in him all these years, but I think he's taken a stance now that's too extreme," Krug said between sips of beer at Veterans of Foreign Wars Post 155, where Murtha is listed on a plaque as a lifelong member.

    Murtha, 73, a Johnstown native, has long been popular in his western Pennsylvania district, where he's credited with bringing jobs and good health care to the region where generations have labored in coal mines and steel mills. He was back in Johnstown on Wednesday, and said he didn't believe President Bush's recent rationale for the war would sway public opinion about his Iraq policy.

    "He's saying the same things, but he's just making it look like he's changing," Murtha said. "He's gonna have to do more than just talk to change public opinion."

    Like Murtha, many men from Johnstown have fought wars, and in him they found someone who could identify with their plight as veterans. In Murtha was the first Vietnam veteran elected to Congress, and he later retired as a colonel in the Marine Forces Reserve; he is up for re-election next year and thus far is unopposed.

    But when he stood up to Bush last month, some residents did not know what to think of their congressman's new role as an anti-war advocate.

    Some say they couldn't be prouder. Others, like Krug and Harold Wilson, a retired teacher who lost a leg fighting in Korea, think he's flat wrong. Krug said he would even vote against him.

    "You don't send a balloon up and then put a pin in it," Wilson said. "He's gotten to the age where he should think about retiring."

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      "HILARIOUS that a guy from hebron..."

      Right on cue, moron.

      Hey, I don't take the broom out of your hand, when YOU'RE working!


    • Re: VOTERS TO Bush:TIME for JAIL p4
      by: banana_republic_of_kalifornia 12/22/05 09:17 am
      Msg: 428306 of 428914

      Senators r so gutless they extend the Patriot act...What a bunch of F8CKING clowns...LOL

    • ---"I believed in him all these years, but I think he's taken a stance now that's too extreme," Krug said between sips of beer at Veterans of Foreign Wars Post 155, where Murtha is listed on a plaque as a lifelong member.---

      Yeah, every VFW I've been to has guys like Krug with nothing better to do than "sips of beer," but they want to denigrate the considered and educated opinion of someone likely more experienced and decorated than they are. Shades of the Swift Boat Drinkers.

      Murtha has access to intelligence, he has access to the Pentagon, and he has access to travel to Iraq. I doubt seriously that ANY of those beer sippers has that. What do you think, More?

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      • "Murtha has access to intelligence, he has access to the Pentagon, and he has access to travel to Iraq. I doubt seriously that ANY of those beer sippers has that. What do you think, More?"

        I know this will gall you, Byu, but even the best soldier sometimes makes the worst general. I don't care HOW much access he had to info, him publically calling on our troops to begin immediate withdrawl encourages the enemy and puts those troops their in much more danger than they already are. It also sends a message to those that are our allies as well. Will THEY be able to rely on us in rough times? (No, I'm not talking about Israel in particualar.)

        Most important are the messages we send to moderate Muslims that have been too scared to assert themselves against the fanatics.

        Murtha made a bad political move and an even worse strategic one.

        He should be called on it, just like any other duly elected congressman, senator, or president.


    • "whatever cost" - airtractor2003

      I beleive you are pulling chains, airtractor, but the price is too high.

    • that is the rub

      bush is incompetant and gets no job done

      ie ossama is free

      and if you think birnging 'democracy' to iraq is more important than repecting democracy at home then you are a hopeless cracker parrot

      and cow fucker of course

    • It's discusting that the Democrats think ANWR is more important to the country than repealing this un-Patriot Act.

      Do the Democrats really believe that this president will obey a NEW law when he has already demonstrated he has no respect for the Constitution.

      No wonder the Democrats keep lossing elections.

      What do these Democrats stand for?

      We get the government that we deserve.


      Senate votes to extend Patriot Act for 6 months
      Alaska drilling blocked, budget cuts approved

      By Rick Klein, Globe Staff | December 22, 2005

      WASHINGTON -- The Senate voted last night to extend the USA Patriot Act for six months and give Congress time next year to revise the anti-terrorism law that is set to expire Dec. 31.

      The surprise deal capped a tumultuous day as senators tried to wrap up their work for the year and head home for the holidays. Earlier, Senate Democrats blocked oil drilling in Alaska's Arctic National Wildlife Refuge, and Republicans eked out the narrowest of victories on a deficit-cutting measure.

      With President Bush prodding them, senators had negotiated throughout the day to extend the Patriot Act, a series of expanded law-enforcement tools in the war on terrorism. Democrats and some Republicans insist the law should provide more protections of civil liberties.

      Democrats and their allies had originally sought a three-month extension of the law, and the Senate's Republican majority had offered a one-year extension. The two sides hammered out the compromise after hours of intense talks and approved the measure on a voice vote.

      ''For a lot of reasons, it made the most sense, given that there are significant differences that remain," said Senator John Sununu of New Hampshire, one of a small group of Republicans who had joined with Senate Democrats to filibuster a House-Senate compromise.

    • More typical Florida Crap. Have some OJ and a few other Cons.

    • Bush is protecting the American citizens at whatever cost...The liberal losers do not have the guts to do the right thing....I for one could givea shit if they wiretap every sand monkey on earth,feed the Gitmo monkeys to the sharks,whatever it takes to get the job done!

    • There are legal scholors on both sides of this issue, some say its illegal and others say it is not. I guess that since you have already come to the conclusion that Bush violated the law speaks to where your political affiliations are. Bottom line, no one gives a shit about what you think. Most fair minded people are going to wait and see how this issue plays out before convicting Bush of breaking the law.

    • Desecrating Democracy

      It's the same mentality that saw such desecrations of democracy as the bugging of Martin Luther King Jr., Supreme Court Justice William O. Douglas and Nixon's ``enemies.'' It's a sense of being above the law, a decided preference for unilateral presidential freelancing, without so much as a wink to the other two branches on the quaint notion of checks and balances.

      Both the president and vice president, in their many defensive words in recent days, have said, in effect: Since 9/11, we can do anything we want. Those who don't go along are helping the enemy. Indeed, Bush acted as if the attempt to spy on Al Qaeda would be ruined once the terrorists read about it in the New York Times.

      At least Congress isn't so far into its own decline that it stands silent as a president breaks a law meant to protect core freedoms. Senate Judiciary Committee Chairman Arlen Specter, a Pennsylvania Republican, said he's ``skeptical'' of the president's citation of authority and his so-called consulting with a handful of lawmakers.

      ``You can't have the administration and a select number of members alter the law,'' Specter said. ``It can't be done.'' Specter said he intends to hold hearings.

      Blaming Democrats

      Two other Republicans, Senators Chuck Hagel of Iowa and Olympia Snowe of Maine, joined three Democrats in asking for a joint inquiry by the judiciary and intelligence committees. Republican Senator John Sununu of New Hampshire and three others from his party joined with Democrats in refusing to end a filibuster against renewal of the Patriot Act.

      You push back against this president at your peril. Bush is already blaming Democrats should anything happen when the Patriot Act expires on Jan. 1, even as he refused to accept a three-month extension. Late Wednesday night, a six-month extension passed. This perpetuates the false conflict Bush has set up between being safe and being a democracy. If his version of national security costs us our democracy, then 9/11 really did change everything.

      What this latest revelation confirms is that all the terrible things you think couldn't be true about the Bush administration often are, from illegally eavesdropping to ignoring the inconvenient parts of the Geneva Conventions to resisting Senator John McCain's modest refinements of our torture policy and to paying people to plant stories here and in Iraq.

      Shame on Him

      The president who has made four speeches with teeny, tiny dollops of contriteness for going to war for sham reasons has shown none about the illegal surveillance.

      He's reserved ``shame'' for the person who blew the whistle on him. That poor soul is going to need all the shelter the Whistleblower Protection Act offers. Already Bush has suggested he will bring down the full force of the Justice Department on him with a leak investigation.

      I have a suggestion. How about awarding the whistleblower the Medal of Freedom instead?

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