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  • moreironic moreironic Dec 22, 2005 12:28 PM Flag

    VOTERS TO MURTHA:TIME TO RETIRE

    "Murtha has access to intelligence, he has access to the Pentagon, and he has access to travel to Iraq. I doubt seriously that ANY of those beer sippers has that. What do you think, More?"

    I know this will gall you, Byu, but even the best soldier sometimes makes the worst general. I don't care HOW much access he had to info, him publically calling on our troops to begin immediate withdrawl encourages the enemy and puts those troops their in much more danger than they already are. It also sends a message to those that are our allies as well. Will THEY be able to rely on us in rough times? (No, I'm not talking about Israel in particualar.)

    Most important are the messages we send to moderate Muslims that have been too scared to assert themselves against the fanatics.

    Murtha made a bad political move and an even worse strategic one.

    He should be called on it, just like any other duly elected congressman, senator, or president.

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    • "I know this will gall you, Byu, but even the best soldier sometimes makes the worst general. I don't care HOW much access he had to info, him publically calling on our troops to begin immediate withdrawl encourages the enemy and puts those troops their in much more danger than they already are."

      Let us assume that you are correct. Let us then postulate that, at some point in the future, US troops will be ordered home. Under what circumstances do you see that happening? I asked the question about the identity of who will surrender to us or to the Iraqis. At what point in this war will hostilities cease and what will be the cause?

      As to your other comment "It also sends a message to those that are our allies as well. Will THEY be able to rely on us in rough times?" I will counter with the conditions that are real....our allies are removing their troops and have been doing so for some time.

      What message does that send to the United States?

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      • "Under what circumstances do you see that happening?"

        Well it's happenning right now, Byu. Rummy has announced a redeployment of troops that will draw down our presence from 160,000 to 138,000, but if you look at Germany and Korea and Japan, our troops are still there. However, THAT is peaceful deployment and it WORKED...a model for Iraq.

        "I asked the question about the identity of who will surrender to us or to the Iraqis. At what point in this war will hostilities cease and what will be the cause?"

        With the advent of the Sunnis getting involved with the birthing democracy, Mullahs advising their flocks to vote, the Iraqis amazing turnout in the elections, the security of the elections provided entirely by Iraqi troops, Jordan citizens showing up in the 100's of thousands in the street to march against one of their own, Zarqawi, things are looking up.

        Also, Byu, Syrian and Iranians are looking over the fense at this growing freedom of their neighbors and are beginning to ask, "Why not us?"

        Specific to your ?, I don't know if you'll see a formal surrender, and I don't think we'll ever totally rid ourselves of the fanatics. WW2 didn't rid the world of Nazis, but they are much more under control than they were. Wouldn't you agree?

        I do know that the terrorists are scared more by Arab and Muslim countries becoming free representative democracies. Otherwise, Byu, why would they be focusing so much of their resources to Iraq? Democracies and anarchistic terrorists mix like oil and water.

        Sorry to dissapoint your buddy Krown, but this was right in my wheelhouse.

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      • I believe this Conservative will have
        nothing to say in response other than
        a bunch of name calling and jokes that
        arent funny.

        Iraq is a disaster

    • "Murtha made a bad political move and an even worse strategic one."

      Only if you believe that the Administration's present course is correct which, unfortunately, you do. My guess is that he'll be re-elected in November and a number of his Republican colleagues, who essentially refered to him as a traitor, won't be.

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      • "Only if you believe that the Administration's present course is correct which, unfortunately, you do. My guess is that he'll be re-elected in November and a number of his Republican colleagues, who essentially refered to him as a traitor, won't be."

        Maybe. Murtha's pretty ensconced where he is. On a national level, Murtha's position is becoming a disaster for the Dems. The facts are are in reality don't match up to Murtha's doom and gloom.

        Bush's Mid East strategy is working.

        Lieberman is the only Dem, thus far, that has caught on.

        BTW., Byu, how did your predictions work for you in the 2004 elctions?

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    • Murtha made a bad political move and an even worse strategic one

      jesus the jew morrey compare that tothe bad political and worse strategic decision to attack a country that never attacked us!!

      get real hebron!

 
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