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  • tradestoxx11 tradestoxx11 Apr 28, 2013 12:43 PM Flag

    Dear "Rayonman"

    You have posted on numerous occassions now that you're not a short...and haven't been a short in this stock.
    And frankly, I'm beginning to believe that may in fact be the case. Or, at least...let's say I take you at your word on that issue.

    Taking that into account then, i've gone back and reviewed several of your posts.....again, taking EACH one at your word. And this is the way they then come across.

    Let me phrase it however in a way that might be easier for some to understand.

    I once knew a person growing up who dated this girl for years who i also knew very well. He didn't just care for her, she was his life. And after a few years she met someone else and went on to a lifetime of extreme happiness. Although he moved on ..or seemingly so...he never really did and i think even to this day he thinks about her as having been "his"...and having been cheated out of participating in all she went on to be and achieve. If one had asked him at any point after her breaking up with him how he felt about her...he never missed an opportunity to try to put her down..if even subtley. The psychology behind that being if he couldn't have her..then no one else was going to either and she would learn to pay for having left him.
    But he also knew deep in his heart that it's because she was so special that she was destined for so much more and i think if pushed...he would admit that. Admit what a success she was in her life after him.

    But here's the thing. If someone ever were to ask ME about what i thought about it...I WOULD feel that he was wronged in many ways. And actually..he did give her a VERY big start in life. In fact...he probably made her what she was...takng her from a very shy and even meek young girl to someone with a great future and enormous confidence. CONFIDENCE ENOUGH even..to finally leave him.

    And he never got over it.

    If anyone ever asked me however what i thought about his LATER actions. (cont)....

    Sentiment: Strong Buy

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    • "I once knew a person growing up who dated this girl for years who i also knew very well. He didn't just care for her, she was his life. And after a few years she met someone else and went on to a lifetime of extreme happiness. Although he moved on ..or seemingly so...he never really did and i think even to this day he thinks about her as having been "his"...and having been cheated out of participating in all she went on to be and achieve. If one had asked him at any point after her breaking up with him how he felt about her...he never missed an opportunity to try to put her down..if even subtley. The psychology behind that being if he couldn't have her..then no one else was going to either and she would learn to pay for having left him."
      You knew both people well, my only knowledge comes from what you are relating. The psychology behind what you are describing sounds to me as being more accurately described as he was hurt by her rejection of him and his self-esteem was hurt as you describe below, NOT that "if he couldn't have her then no one else was going to either and she would learn to pay." Consider that, psychology being what it is, his constant disparagement of her after their breakup was from hostililty toward her from anger because she had hurt him emotionally, including seriously affecting his self-esteem.
      This part below is well-said and probably the key thing:
      "But he also knew deep in his heart that it's because she was so special that she was destined for so much more and i think if pushed...he would admit that."

    • (cont)....what i would say to them is this. It's a REAL shame he never was able to move on. Both for himself. AND for the person he cared so much for. And to even learn to recognize and appreciate her for all she did manage to become. And to encourage her in that endeavour even. To learn that he COULD have been friends instead..and even the BEST of friends. And, for him..to have then taken his IMMENSE talents and directed them at other endeavors and adventures. Recognizing that he had an awfully lot to give.
      And that in fact HOLDING back on that....thinking negative thoughts..being lost in the past....only served to hold HIM back. And no one else but him.

      If one were to turn that around into a "company"..one could say that he COULD have reclaimed what WAS his in other ways. And even by participating TODAY in the form of investing in the stock of that company.
      Encouraging "her"..to grow....and be all he knew she could be.

      Rayonman.....taking YOU at YOUR word..that YOU are not short this stock...which i will from this post forward...I would just say and suggest to you that if any of this sounds familiar...which i won't EVEN BE Asking you to confirm OR deny...then you might want to do what i told him the last time i spoke with him.

      Move on....because you have so much more to give than to dwell on the past. You WERE wronged...in some or even many respects...but the way you RIGHT that situation is not to ever dwell on it again. But instead...to take YOUR talents in another direction. Because MAYBE....your greatest successses are still ahead of you.

      ~Congo

      Sentiment: Strong Buy

      • 1 Reply to tradestoxx11
      • Trade, I see you got a one star, and I want you to know it was not from me so as not to jeopardize the fragile breakthrough you have achieved, now that you have wisely decided to go forward from the premise of what I have repeatedly and steadfastly posted, that I have never shorted an AVNR share .
        I think you are very prescient about your friend and how he could have grown from the experience by appreciating her for everything she became without having to dwell on the thought that he was not good enough for her, and instead, maybe become good enough for someone else on her level by maturing himself. Very good analysis.
        In my case, I appreciate your effort to make me a better person, but, as I said I have not worked in the pharmaceutical business.
        In this case, I am, "still with the girl" because I am a shareholder. But I am not in love with the girl because the girl is not a girl. The girl is a stock. And never fall in love with a stock!
        To address where your content has some applicability, I have lost significant amounts of money on various biotechs in the past. Not so much that it very significantly affected by net worth, or created $ worries or affected my lifestyle .
        I learned from those experiences and also from knowledge of medicine to be circumspect + skeptical of medical claims. There's a science to medicine that requires convincing results of well-designed large clinical studies. That has to be respected in evaluating management claims or their parroting by sycophantic analysts or the claims of paid MDs who have conflicts of interest and resulting biases.
        I think you would agree, with all your years in investing that It is important to be circumspect and conservative in one's assumptions and extrapolations and to be skeptical of biased claims.
        That is what my posts have been about, caution borne from experience. Not from a disgruntled fired employee whose self-esteem was affected, nor from someone made destitute by loss

    • "You have posted on numerous occassions now that you're not a short...and haven't been a short in this stock.
      And frankly, I'm beginning to believe that may in fact be the case. Or, at least...let's say I take you at your word on that issue."
      Yay! We have achieved a breakthough! Next step is to MAINTAIN the breakthrough and not go slipping into fantasyland again where I'm the King of the Shorts and we are at the O.K. Corral and all that stuff.

 
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