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  • stinkyh2001 stinkyh2001 Nov 18, 2006 1:16 AM Flag

    Welcome to the real world cowboys!!!

    As new statistics confirm the extent of the real estate market collapse, many wishful thinkers now herald bad data as positive omens. For example today�s release of dismal October housing start figures convinced many naive economists that the market was on the mend. They argued that the 14% decline in housing starts from September (the lowest activity in six years) and the lowest number of building permits for the last nine years would solve the problem of oversupply, thereby restoring balance to the market. Talk about lemonade from lemons.

    The current glut of homes comes when home ownerships rates are at the highest levels in history while home affordability is at its lowest. The recent reduction in new and future construction is too little and comes too late to restore balance. The optimistic reaction is based on comparisons to historical averages of prior real estate down-turns. However, a comparison of the real estate mania of 1996-2005 to any prior national real estate boom reveals the folly of applying historical norms to the current correction. Economists, market strategists, and homeowners who still harbor a dream of a real estate soft-landing, with marginal price declines and minimal spill over into the broader economy, are in for one of the ruddiest awakenings of all time.

    A variety of factors have combined to create market conditions that simply did not exist in the past. The widespread elimination of lending standards, down-payments, documented loans, and full amortization, combined with rampant proliferation of speculation, leverage, over-building, �creative� financing, re-financing, equity extractions, teaser rates, phony appraisals, ARMs, negative amortization loans, second and third home purchases, and out-right mortgage fraud, have created home prices that are completely untethered from reality.

    Furthermore, more so than during any other period of American history, consumer spending is now largely dependent home equity extractions and temporarily low mortgage payments. As a result, predictions as to how the real estate slowdown will impact the economy should be made by comparisons to the deflation of prior asset bubbles. However, fallout from the bursting of this bubble may be more damaging than virtually any financial correction that we have experienced since the Great Depression.

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    • I thought the post was pretty good, although, I'd call it more of a point of view than straight analysis. There seems to be more than a lot of wishful thinking that the housing market will stabilize, when there isn't any factual basis to believe this. Just because a few deep pocketed investors have placed their bets in favor of this view does not mean it will happen. These guys are right only a little more than 50% of the time. I'm betting the housing market will continue to weaken, housing stocks will be extremely bad investments, and we won't see real stabilition for another 2-3 years.

    • You forgot the most important thing...Interest rates. The fact is that when rates are low, more people are willing to buy. Compare any treasury yield chart to any homebuilder stock chart. Interest rates are low now and probably aren't going higher.

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      • I don't agree. Although interest rates have played as the major catalyst in getting to this point, the ability to pay back mortgages notes as well as a huge over supply will be the downfall. When the banks now scrutinize the credit worthiness of borrowers as well as the decreasing equity of most homeowners, interest rate cuts of 50 to 100 basis points will not save this market. If one actually owns and lives in a house, the gyrations in value will have little effect but if one tries to extract $ from the decreasing value, reality will set in.

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