This has boiled down to the laws of the jungle:
kill, or get killed.
black or white. No gray in the middle.
it is either us, or them.
you either do what you have to in order to live - or you die!
this is an endgame for survival and each and every one of you has to pick sides.
it's time to put down the m-16s & bring out the f-16s, with the clear intention of wiping out whole neighborhoods, buildings and so called "civilians" alike, until a white flag is seen from every palestinian home. They should be cursing the day they were born by now.
bombs should be flying over the skies of gaza and the west bank 24/7 until they crawl back to us on all 4, *begging* that we stop, cursing the day they have brought this response upon themselves.
trying to catch them only when they get to our neighborhoods is pure idiocy. The only way to stop them is by showing them in advance that **the price that the families they leave behind them will be so high, that the solution of terror does not exist for them. Period. **
the only solution against terrorism is *brutal force* with the intention of *crushing* the enemy to the ground. This includes all those "civilians" who idolize the terrorists and do not fight with all their strength to vomit them from within their society. Such civilians are not civilians, they are associates of terrorism, and as such - have the same fate as their heros.
if this occurred in your streets in the us and europe - you'd be demanding the same response after the 1st week!
we have been living like this for *years*.
if you still don't understand, you probably never will, and all my words are useless!!
i can only pray for the souls of all the bull
i am not religious, and do not believe in god or the devil, but if the devil exists - the muslims are his sons!
it is time for everyone to understand that there is good and evil in this world and these two exist side by side in different dimensions and parallel universes which will never meet.
it is either us, or them. No in-between.
the muslims had enough time to try and adjust to the world. They failed to do so in the most horrible way.
no, they should pay the price.
Genocide? Killing off the Palestinians? That's one way I guess.
But how about just ending the occupation? Leave every inch of land captured in June of '67. Live with the 78% of pre-1948 Palestine (the 56% granted by the UN and the 22% you cleansed and captured in the 1948 war) and leave the rest. The Palestinians were there long before you, they deserve a home as well, no less than you. You can't hold up a bible and claim the land is yours. You've taken most of it, leave the rest. Israel is an occupying force, settling civilains on captured land in contravention of all international law.
At this time, Israel is no different than any other occupying army in history - they are the bad guys. This is not a war, it's a slaughter. I don't see tanks and F-16s razing Israeli neighbourhoods, I don't see Israeli health, educational and civil infrastructure ripped up in the name of fighting terrorism, I don't see Israeli children malnourished and living in squalor. Israel is the occupier, Israel is the strong party here, and as such should make the right choice. It should leave. Leave all occupied land, every inch and leave the settlements intact for the Palestinians to use, in exchange for the right of return - a right of return which they have a right to under the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, the Geneva Conventions and numerous UN Resolutions.
That would be the right way to do things, but it seems you would prefer to kill them all. Well, you can do that, you have the power, and I'll bet that if no one was looking, you would. But this is the 21st century and everyone is watching, so you can't. Eventually, the world, and even the US is going to see this for what it is, an ethnic cleansing land grab on the part of a minority of Israelis who are quite convinced that God Himself gave them the land from the Jordan to the sea, all of it, and to hell with those that are already there. The future of Israel is being held hostage to a few crazy settlers and their political clout. Imagine, some guy with a Brooklyn accent and a few hundred of his lunatic friends exclaiming that the city of Hebron is theirs by divine decree. Meanwhile, surrounding their 20 year old illegal settlement are 100,000 Palestinians with 1400 years of history in Hebron, who can't leave the house after 6:00pm, by order of the IDF. And the world is focussed only on Islamic fundamentalism! Hypocrits!
I know this much: God, if he is God, cares no more for you than he does for the Palestinians, the Italians or the Native Americans.
There will never peace without justice. End the occupation, join the civilized world and the killing will stop. The suicide bombings did not happen in a vacumn. People like you would have us believe that in the beginning there was terror. Well, there wasn't. In the beginning there was theft of land and ethnic cleansing by the State of Israel. That original sin has yet to be put right.
And it's not called Judaea and Sumaria, it's called Palestine. Get used to it.
You are 100% WRONG. You don't know history. It is NOT "occupied" land! It has been called Judaea and Sumaria since biblical times. There has NEVER been an independent country called "Palestine."
Spare everyone your ignorant platitudes. You just don't know what you are talking about so you spout what you think sounds equitable. Why can't we all just get along? Right? Let's just flip a coin... that sounds fair.
It is amazing that anyone so ignorant of the history of the world could be so ridiculously opinionated.
THIS HAS BOILED DOWN TO THE LAWS OF THE JUNGLE:
KILL, OR GET KILLED.
BLACK OR WHITE. NO GRAY IN THE MIDDLE.
IT IS EITHER US, OR THEM.
YOU EITHER DO WHAT YOU HAVE TO IN ORDER TO LIVE - OR YOU DIE!
THIS IS AN ENDGAME FOR SURVIVAL AND EACH AND EVERY ONE OF YOU HAS TO PICK SIDES.
IT'S TIME TO PUT DOWN THE M-16s & BRING OUT THE F-16s, WITH THE CLEAR INTENTION OF WIPING OUT WHOLE NEIGHBORHOODS, BUILDINGS AND SO CALLED "CIVILIANS" ALIKE, UNTIL A WHITE FLAG IS SEEN FROM EVERY PALESTINIAN HOME. THEY SHOULD BE CURSING THE DAY THEY WERE BORN BY NOW.
BOMBS SHOULD BE FLYING OVER THE SKIES OF GAZA AND THE WEST BANK 24/7 UNTIL THEY CRAWL BACK TO US ON ALL 4, *BEGGING* THAT WE STOP, CURSING THE DAY THEY HAVE BROUGHT THIS RESPONSE UPON THEMSELVES.
TRYING TO CATCH THEM ONLY WHEN THEY GET TO OUR NEIGHBORHOODS IS PURE IDIOCY. THE ONLY WAY TO STOP THEM IS BY SHOWING THEM IN ADVANCE THAT **THE PRICE THAT THE FAMILIES THEY LEAVE BEHIND THEM WILL BE SO HIGH, THAT THE SOLUTION OF TERROR DOES NOT EXIST FOR THEM. PERIOD. **
THE ONLY SOLUTION AGAINST TERRORISM IS *BRUTAL FORCE* WITH THE INTENTION OF *CRUSHING* THE ENEMY TO THE GROUND. THIS INCLUDES ALL THOSE "CIVILIANS" WHO IDOLIZE THE TERRORISTS AND DO NOT FIGHT WITH ALL THEIR STRENGTH TO VOMIT THEM FROM WITHIN THEIR SOCIETY. SUCH CIVILIANS ARE NOT CIVILIANS, THEY ARE ASSOCIATES OF TERRORISM, AND AS SUCH - HAVE THE SAME FATE AS THEIR HEROS.
IF THIS OCCURRED IN YOUR STREETS IN THE US AND EUROPE - YOU'D BE DEMANDING THE SAME RESPONSE AFTER THE 1st WEEK!
WE HAVE BEEN LIVING LIKE THIS FOR *YEARS*.
IF YOU STILL DON'T UNDERSTAND, YOU PROBABLY NEVER WILL, AND ALL MY WORDS ARE USELESS!!
I CAN ONLY PRAY FOR THE SOULS OF ALL THE BULL
I AM NOT RELIGIOUS, AND DO NOT BELIEVE IN GOD OR THE DEVIL, BUT IF THE DEVIL EXISTS - THE MUSLIMS ARE HIS SONS!
IT IS TIME FOR EVERYONE TO UNDERSTAND THAT THERE IS GOOD AND EVIL IN THIS WORLD AND THESE TWO EXIST SIDE BY SIDE IN DIFFERENT DIMENSIONS AND PARALLEL UNIVERSES WHICH WILL NEVER MEET.
IT IS EITHER US, OR THEM. NO IN-BETWEEN.
THE MUSLIMS HAD ENOUGH TIME TO TRY AND ADJUST TO THE WORLD. THEY FAILED TO DO SO IN THE MOST HORRIBLE WAY.
NO, THEY SHOULD PAY THE PRICE.
Take it easy, DSY, don�t tell me you�re surprised that there has been another attack. Maybe for you it is black or white, and for the terrorists, it is definitely black or white, but for me it most certainly is not.
I find your posts offensive in that they insinuate there is no place in the world for muslims, moderates, liberal jews, etc...
The last thing I want is a fight, but, like you, I care enough about the situation to post on a yahoo message board read by, what, about 6 people, mostly your back-slappin� armchair hardliner buddies.
If you seriously are calling for people to pick sides and take up arms, you are no better than those who inspire the terrorists. You of course will react to these words as if I equate Israel with the Palestinian Authority, or Hamas. I do not. I simply disagree in the strongest way with what you advocate.
I_ukkie, you are another phony philosopher. You claim to love Israel and you are on her side and at the same time spout all the same propaganda of the "peace at any pricers."
You are particularly exercised by the use of an F16 and a 1 ton bomb to take out one man. You ignore the fact that he chose to protect himself with the innocent people around him. You also seem to forget that Israel, in retrospect, regretted the loss of innocent life and, while they are happy he is dead, they would not have done it again the same way.
Ever see any Hamas leader regret loss of innocent life????
Answer that one, yes or no.
You forget that it was the Palestinians that were cheering in the streets on 9/11. You forget that 100% of the terrorists who attacked and killed almost 3,000 innocent Americans were Arab Muslim terrorists. You think that was a coincidence? You understand who the US is at war with?
You seem unwilling to acknowledge the linkage pf the Islamic extremists in the Al Quaeda with the Islamic extremists of Hamas.
You are so ready to give advice to Sharon, how about your giving some advice for President Bush? Think he should not have authorized the use of C130 airplanes? You have any idea of the fire power of one of those? (That is the same weapon used in the attack on the Afghan wedding... which we also regretted. BTW, it is more than a 1 ton bomb.)
You think perhapse the U.S. should just try to reason with the Al Aqueda like the Hamas? You recommending that? Is our war strategy working out any better than Israel's? Think we are any safer? Think they aren't going to try to attack Americans again? Personally, I don't think any of us will be safe until Militant, extremist Islam is completely discredited.
By the way, do you think Hamas did not intend to kill Americans students as well in their bomb attack at Hebrew University?
It is the first obligation of the US Government to protect US citizens both here and abroad. Or do you think that if they are Jewish American citizens abroad it doesn't count?
Here is what I think should be done:
American should declare war on HAMAS.
America and Israel take out (kill and/or capture) every single person who is a member of HAMAS (the same as Al Quaeda) whether it is their so-called "spritual leader" or their spokesmen, officials, or soldiers. All their "offices" and "factories" should be completely demolished forthwith.
Israel should announce in advance that any workers residing in the same city as any future attacker will not be allowed to work or Israel again. (Let them police their own crazies if they want to keep their jobs.) Is Israel obligated to hire these potential killers? Or is that racist?
Israel should anounce that it will formally annex a designated 10% of Judaea or Sumaria or the Gaza on the occassion of the next bombing attack. They should simply deport all the Arabs out of the area (Again, let them understand the consequences of their actions.)
If there is an attack after that, another 10% should be annexed and continued until the terror stops. (When those Arabs start moving into Jordan, Syria, and Egypt, they will no doubt help insure there are no more attacks as well.)
If and when the Arabs kick out their oppressors on their own, Israel will be generous with both land for them to have their own country as well as significant rehabilitation assistance and both will be rewarded with peaceful commerce. That peaceful resolution is not in the agenda of the crazies and that is the tragedy of it all.
There are a cold bunch of heartless souls on these message boards.
You know who they are. They cannot be reached. They cannot be touched.
They are incapable of feeling either sympathy or empathy for the people of Israel.
They hear nothing but the sound of their own rhetoric.
Please do not let them get to you.
I will not dialogue with them any longer, except to say �
F**K YOU to them and ROT in HELL.
I feel an attachment to the Hebrew University of Jerusalem.
I am in the second year of a two-year certificate program in Jewish Studies sponsored by this school. Several of my fellow students were planning to attend classes there this summer.
I can only hope that none of their names will be on the list of Americans killed by this MOST HORRIFIC act.
Is this to be their new tactic now � blowing up university students?
KILLING THE FUTURE OF ISRAEL.
THEY are the ones guilty of genocide.
THEY are the ones who for 22 months now - and we know their Terrorism has gone on for FAR longer than that - have been slowly destroying the people of Israel �
physically and emotionally.
I agree 1000% with EVERYTHING you have written.
I have come to believe that only the most definitive and decisive military action on the part of Israel can give any hope to the people of Israel.
I do not consider whipping out their entire population from the face of the planet to be genocide because genocide in my definition of the word would mean the killing of HUMAN BEINGS and THEY are not HUMAN BEINGS.
I hope that whatever retaliation is taken by Israel will result in the least casualties for my Israeli brothers and sisters.
And even though I am an agnostic,
I continue to pray for your safety, my dear friend, and for the safety of all your loved ones.
And 3 of you actually recommended this post by dizzycoffee in which he sanctions the genocide of the Palestinians based on his opinion that they are not human anyway.
Fortunately, people like you are eventually recognized for the monsters you are, and relegated to the dustbin of history. Humanity is much stronger than your racism. It will survive. Palestine will survive. Israeli apartheid will not survive. Israel itself may not survive. If it chooses to do the right thing, finally, it will be fine; otherwise, it is history. Might take 20 years, might take a 100 years, but it will be history if it continues on this course. If you don't see this by now, then modern Israel will simply be another chapter in the ever so long history of the ME.
End the occupation, soon. You deserve no consideration until you do. Period.
It's great that you are interested in Magal's computerized security systems!
Magal's products will help prevent the passing of Muslim Terrorists from your homeland, Canada (thanks to Dizzy for bringing that to my attention), into the USA, a step which your Canadian government doesn't seem to be doing at all.
Canada is a hot-house for potential terrorists, since your liberal immigration policy, low awareness of border security and detachness from the rest of the world (upon choice) is just what they need.
I don't see any reason why I should appologize to a Canadian, especially when he seems to be an Arab immigrent himself.
Byw, Are you aware of the fact that another innocent Israeli civilian was lynched today by the barbaric animals?
"I don't see any reason why I should appologize to a Canadian"
Or ask the apology of any other person around the globe, for that matter.
I have nothing against Canada or the Canadians.
I have a lot against people who live thousands of miles away, know nothing about what's really going on accept for what is seen on the surface of things, but yet have the nerve to teach and preach me right from wrong.
I don't tell you how to hunt a rain-deer, you don't tell me how to live either. Simple.
DSY, I nvere asked you to apologize, just get the hell of the land you stole.
I am aware of all the innocents killed in Palestine/Israel. I am also aware that there 3 or 4 innocent Palestinian killed for every innocent Israeli. But I guess none of them are innocent to you, including those 11 children in Gaza, and the 700 others under the age of 18 that Israel has slaughtered. Not to mention the maimings, the rubber bullets aimed at the temple, or in the spine for maximum damage.
Hothouse? Canada? Yeah sure, I've heard that before. The truth is that none of the 19 on 9/11 crossed over from Canada, they were mostly legally in the US, going about their business. Absolutely nothing to do with Canada. Oh yeah, this isn't about Canada, is it? IT's about the Israeli subjugation of 3 1/2 million people. Let's not forget that. Get off the land, end the occupation and then talk, in that order. It's your move, until then, the world is watching. Eventually, even CNN and Fox won't be able to put a positive spin on Isareli brutality. Europe know now, NA will follow. I'd suggest you end the occupation while you can still get some credit for doing so, before the whole world, including the US, demands it. The day is coming. The world is watching. What will Israel do?
So df...Why are you writing on an Israeli security stock message board? Do you own the stock? Or maybe this is how you get your rocks off....
Your the perfect Palestinian twister of facts and truth...Maybe you ought to think about joining your brethern...You could work as a spokesman for ArabFat...be on TV...probably get paid well...after all your boss, who is the actual usurper of his peoples wealth, has lots of $$$. U.S. news agencies report he has over 12 billion dollars in assests. Enough to pay all the unemployed & employed Palestinins salaries for over 3 years. Maybe that info hasn't made it to Canada or Europe yet...
(I still haven't figured out the 2830, but give me time...)
Sorry it's taken awhile to get back to you.
As you can see by my picture which I have just added to my profile for your viewing pleasure -
Some of us were born beautiful instead of rich so we have to work all day for a living.
DUMB F*CK - once you read my entire profile you will also discover what I do for that living.
My cybersleuthing should no longer surprise you.
I am a highly trained, very well-paid BS Detector.
I spend my days Sniffing Out and Bagging
BS Artists, Frauds, Crooks and Liars.
BTW, today, I sniffed out another load of
Dizzy....Best Profile, Picture & Post!
It would be nice to give an olfactory hound fart(Special Effects) for the people that deserve it - like df and shlockmaster(let's give Nasdaq a break).