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  • df2830 df2830 Aug 23, 2002 11:56 PM Flag

    Epitome of Hypocrisy

    paese, (when in Rome?)

    I doubt that I have ever spoken of my God on this site, except to say that I am Christian and that my God cares no less for the Palestinain than he does for the Jew, the Italian or the Native American. I have no desire to move to an Arab country, since not a one can hold a candle to my own country, not in any way that matters. I have no admiration for fascists or racists, be they in Damascus, Cairo or Tel Aviv. I do not hate monger, that would be the domain of the racist, genocidal lunatics on this board.

    History will judge today's Israel to be a brutal, racist, occupying bully. It has the strength, and therefore the responsibility to end its brutalization of the Palestinian people, pull back to the 1967 lines (including East Jerusalem), abandon all settlements and compensate the Palestinians that were brutally cleansed from their homes and land in 1948 by Jewish terror. There can never be peace without this long-denied justice. Palestinians were nowhere near Aushwitz, they shouldn't have to pay for the evil perpetrated there, and they don't intend to. It's not right; in fact, it couldn't be more wrong, and the Israeli heart old enough to remember knows it.

    A spade is a spade; Israel was founded on the bulldozed ruins of hundreds of Arab villages and hundreds of thousands of Arab homes. You were given much, coveted more, and simply took it, by terror. The original 56% granted in the UN mandate wasn't enough, then an additonal 22% stolen in '48 during the Israeli War of Expansion wasn't enough, and now you want the remaining 22% occupied in '67. It won't happen. It's all they have left. You'll have to kill them all, while we watch. Wouldn't it be great if the world would just turn its back for a moment, while the Sharon fascists murdered and cleansed 3 1/2 million Palestinains from the mythical lands of Judaea and Sumaria (Palestine to the civilized world).

    Get the F off the land you stole, and there will be peace. Keep you freakin weapons, hold them high, who cares! Israel is brimming with them, including nukes. Again, who cares! Nobody can touch Israel, certainly nobody in the ME - so stop playing victim while you strangle and starve an entire people. Just get off the land you stole. That's all this is about: an occupied, brutalized people, and the brutal occupier. There can only be one of each. It's clear who is who. Nothing you say matters until the occupation ends because you are the oppressor.

    Israel can do this on its own, end the occupation and restore justice, and salvage a measure of dignity, or it can wait and have justice forced upon it by a world that will soon see this BS for what it is - a greedy land grab by racist Israelis, no better than Apartheid South Africa, no better than Serbia under Milosovich, and certainly no better than any of the despotic Arab regimes that the ME is cursed with, except that this one has nukes.

    The choice is yours. The world is watching, and it grows tired. Ever notice that when you're tired, it's easy to see straight through to the truth? Better hurry up.

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    • paese_che_vai_usanza_che_trovi paese_che_vai_usanza_che_trovi Aug 24, 2002 12:24 PM Flag

      "History will judge today's Israel to be a brutal, racist, occupying bully." (You have no precognition to assume what History will say.)

      "�pull back to the 1967 lines (including East Jerusalem), abandon all settlements and compensate the Palestinians that were brutally cleansed from their homes and land in 1948 by Jewish terror." (1967 borders were formed after Israel was forced to defend itself from imminent attack. Remove the Arab attacks and intentions of attack and borders will not be redesigned. As for 1948 Arab superstition and trust in their brethren had them believe that Israel would be destroyed. They left on their own accord. I repeat, Arabs left willingly to pave the way for Israel's destruction. We, as people, make choices in life that may led to either consequences or rewards. Israel would prefer to live side-by-side Arab people. But vice-versa is not the case.)

      "The original 56% granted in the UN mandate wasn't enough, then an additional 22% stolen in '48 during the Israeli War of Expansion wasn't enough, and now you want the remaining 22% occupied in '67."
      (The original land was more than enough. Somehow, though, the surrounding population decided it was 56% too much. Look at history closely, amico, to see who the aggressors truly were and who the defenders truly were.)

      "Get the F off the land you stole, and there will be peace." (As long as the sentiment relates to 'stole' there will be misdirected anger. The UN granted this land to Israel. It is the same UN that now sides with Arabs. How come one UN decision is abhorred while other UN decisions are applauded?)

      "Israel can do this on its own, end the occupation and restore justice, and salvage a measure of dignity�"
      (Israel has offered many gestures of peace only to be rebuffed. History will show that Palestinians rejected all efforts for peace. Could it be that peace was never part of their agenda?)

      I have Christianity in my background like you claim to have. Only difference is, I believe that God would like to see peace happen, but certain mentalities first need to be overcome. You seem to use terminology that is both inflaming and oppositional to any viable solutions therefore your attempts are very counterproductive. It appears that you wouldn't want to see peace either. Why after so many one-sided attempts by Israelis there is still no peace in the cards. Could it be that peace would end the purpose and existence of the only jobs some terrorists have? Could it be that if peace were to be achieved, the repressed peoples in Arab lands would then concentrate their energies on their own respective civil disputes? Could it be that this is why peace will not be achieved - that attentions will focus on overthrowing the dictators that rule their countries and those dictators would rather keep the flames burning that be ousted from their positions of power. As you, yourself called them "despotic Arab regimes" , how can peace be achieved with that going on? Can you offer better solutions that merely fan the flames of hate? You say you're not a hate monger, but your words prove otherwise. Calm down and search for both truth and salvation.

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      • The only "terminology" I use is a call for Israel, the strong one, to end the occupation of the remaining 22% of what is left of historic Palestine. I haven't even called for them to give back the other 22% they stole in '48, and they did steal it, by terror which lead to the cleansing of 750,000 people.
        That was never in the original mandate, now was it? Don't twist my words. Just get off the land, all 22%, all of the West Bank, all Gaza, all East Jeruslaem, just like it was on June 1, 1967. Until it does, Israel has no legitimacy except by might, which alwys fades. There is no security for Israel in holding 3 1/2 million people prisoner on their own land, destroying crops, poisoning wells, confiscating land, appropriating water resources, building settlements, settlement roads, roadblocks, checkpoints, missile strikes, etc, etc, etc. These are the acts of a thief and an opportunist, not a peace partner. If there were only army encampments in the West Bank and Gaza, insteas of dozens of permanent "settlments" you might have an argument. If East Jerusalem hadn't been annexed, maybe. But this is not the case, is it? Israel is brimming with modern weaponry, they don't need these conquests to protect themselves. They took what they took because they wanted it. They coveted it as part of the dream of the Land of Israel. You are no Christian, sir. Jesus recognized injustice when he saw it, and calls upon us to do the same. There can be no peace without justice.

        If it's hate you're looking for, I suggest you read a few of the posts following my last one. Apparently, all Arabs are liars, it's in their blood, don't you know? That language is familiar; as a peace loving man, you should recognize it for what it is. If you scroll back, you'll find posts advocating the extermination of the Palestinians - perhaps you missed that. I ask only for a measure of justice for the weak, the "least of these". Perhaps you'll recognize those words also.

        What was that you said about the UN? The UN's decision to partition Palestine in '48 was welcomed by Israel, yet every other resolution on the subject, on compensation, on settlement building, everything, was ignored and laughed at by that same Israel which so gratefully applauded the partition. Who's the hypocrite?

        No, you have missed the point. The great myth of Israel's creation, "the land without a people", had a people. The people were cleansed from it. Israel was built on the ruins of that crime against humanity. There can't be peace until that original sin is rectified. All they have to do is abandon the last 22%, completely, without exception or discussion, just leave.

        Imminent attack? BS. Moshe Dayon himself, in his memoirs, makes it clear Israel was never in any existential danger, that Egypt would never have attacked in '67. Israel wanted more land, and took it. That's it. If they really wanted peace, they would have done what many in Israel wanted after that war, and immediately proclaimed a Palestinian state on the West Bank, Gaza and East Jerusalem, and helped it to thrive. Today, Palestine and Israel would have been the best of neighbours. But that's not what happened, because the agenda for those in power wasn't about peace, it was about this biblical Greater Israel, and always has been, since the beginning of Zionism. But it seems the enterprise is stalled, with the world watching. Too bad.

    • What a CROCK OF SHI!

 
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