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  • paese_che_vai_usanza_che_trovi paese_che_vai_usanza_che_trovi Aug 23, 2002 11:20 AM Flag

    Epitome of Hypocrisy

    The most ironic thing about hate mongers (such as df2830 and Nazdaq_1000bust on this board), is that they will tell you their God is a loving God. This is the epitome of hypocrisy. If they represent their religions, it would appear that their God hates. They promote the position of "don't do as I do, do as I say." Everywhere else in the world, this is called dictatorship. In fact,isn't that the case in the middle east right now? The dictator-regimes in the middle east promote illiteracy and/or suppression of objectivity to keep their populations from forming independent thoughts. One might ask: Why would those "leaders" be afraid of arming their people with knowledge? Why do these "leaders" feed their people with bastardized versions of the news? Why does Arafat steal money from his people? Why do Arab "leaders" massacre their own people? How come there are no free elections in middle east countries (Israel excluded). Lastly, if those countries are so popular among hate mongers, why aren't these hate-mongers like df2830 and nazdaq_1000bust moving there in droves? In fact,how come Arabs emigrate from these "desirous" countries as soon as they can and move to democratic nations?
    (If I revealed the answers to you, the content would not be as valuable as if you were to figure it out on your own.)

    IF THE PALESTINIANS LAY DOWN THEIR ARMS THERE WOULD BE PEACE.
    IF THE ISRAELIS LAY DOWN THEIR ARMS THERE WOULD BE NO ISRAEL.

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    • paese_che_vai_usanza_che_trovi paese_che_vai_usanza_che_trovi Aug 25, 2002 11:05 PM Flag

      Something tells me that the Hamas supporters won't take kindly to the Bishop's words.

    • Thanks, df, for posting Tutu's speech. The man speaks alot of sense. Pretty much echoes my own thoughts.

      "We should put out a clarion call to the government of the
      people
      of Israel, to the Palestinian people and say: peace is possible,
      peace based on justice is possible. We will do all we can to
      assist you to achieve this peace, because it is God's dream,
      and you will be able to live amicably together as sisters and
      brothers."

      Something tells me that the Sharon supporters won't take kindly to the Bishop's words.

    • We should put out a clarion call to the government of the people
      of Israel, to the Palestinian people and say: peace is possible,
      peace based on justice is possible. We will do all we can to
      assist you to achieve this peace, because it is God's dream,
      and you will be able to live amicably together as sisters and
      brothers.

      Desmond Tutu is the former Archbishop of Cape Town and
      chairman of South Africa's truth and reconciliation commission.
      This address was given at a conference on Ending the
      Occupation held in Boston, Massachusetts, earlier this month.
      A longer version appears in the current edition of Church Time

    • paese, (when in Rome?)

      I doubt that I have ever spoken of my God on this site, except to say that I am Christian and that my God cares no less for the Palestinain than he does for the Jew, the Italian or the Native American. I have no desire to move to an Arab country, since not a one can hold a candle to my own country, not in any way that matters. I have no admiration for fascists or racists, be they in Damascus, Cairo or Tel Aviv. I do not hate monger, that would be the domain of the racist, genocidal lunatics on this board.

      History will judge today's Israel to be a brutal, racist, occupying bully. It has the strength, and therefore the responsibility to end its brutalization of the Palestinian people, pull back to the 1967 lines (including East Jerusalem), abandon all settlements and compensate the Palestinians that were brutally cleansed from their homes and land in 1948 by Jewish terror. There can never be peace without this long-denied justice. Palestinians were nowhere near Aushwitz, they shouldn't have to pay for the evil perpetrated there, and they don't intend to. It's not right; in fact, it couldn't be more wrong, and the Israeli heart old enough to remember knows it.

      A spade is a spade; Israel was founded on the bulldozed ruins of hundreds of Arab villages and hundreds of thousands of Arab homes. You were given much, coveted more, and simply took it, by terror. The original 56% granted in the UN mandate wasn't enough, then an additonal 22% stolen in '48 during the Israeli War of Expansion wasn't enough, and now you want the remaining 22% occupied in '67. It won't happen. It's all they have left. You'll have to kill them all, while we watch. Wouldn't it be great if the world would just turn its back for a moment, while the Sharon fascists murdered and cleansed 3 1/2 million Palestinains from the mythical lands of Judaea and Sumaria (Palestine to the civilized world).

      Get the F off the land you stole, and there will be peace. Keep you freakin weapons, hold them high, who cares! Israel is brimming with them, including nukes. Again, who cares! Nobody can touch Israel, certainly nobody in the ME - so stop playing victim while you strangle and starve an entire people. Just get off the land you stole. That's all this is about: an occupied, brutalized people, and the brutal occupier. There can only be one of each. It's clear who is who. Nothing you say matters until the occupation ends because you are the oppressor.

      Israel can do this on its own, end the occupation and restore justice, and salvage a measure of dignity, or it can wait and have justice forced upon it by a world that will soon see this BS for what it is - a greedy land grab by racist Israelis, no better than Apartheid South Africa, no better than Serbia under Milosovich, and certainly no better than any of the despotic Arab regimes that the ME is cursed with, except that this one has nukes.

      The choice is yours. The world is watching, and it grows tired. Ever notice that when you're tired, it's easy to see straight through to the truth? Better hurry up.

      • 3 Replies to df2830
      • What a CROCK OF SHI!

      • paese_che_vai_usanza_che_trovi paese_che_vai_usanza_che_trovi Aug 24, 2002 12:24 PM Flag

        "History will judge today's Israel to be a brutal, racist, occupying bully." (You have no precognition to assume what History will say.)

        "�pull back to the 1967 lines (including East Jerusalem), abandon all settlements and compensate the Palestinians that were brutally cleansed from their homes and land in 1948 by Jewish terror." (1967 borders were formed after Israel was forced to defend itself from imminent attack. Remove the Arab attacks and intentions of attack and borders will not be redesigned. As for 1948 Arab superstition and trust in their brethren had them believe that Israel would be destroyed. They left on their own accord. I repeat, Arabs left willingly to pave the way for Israel's destruction. We, as people, make choices in life that may led to either consequences or rewards. Israel would prefer to live side-by-side Arab people. But vice-versa is not the case.)

        "The original 56% granted in the UN mandate wasn't enough, then an additional 22% stolen in '48 during the Israeli War of Expansion wasn't enough, and now you want the remaining 22% occupied in '67."
        (The original land was more than enough. Somehow, though, the surrounding population decided it was 56% too much. Look at history closely, amico, to see who the aggressors truly were and who the defenders truly were.)

        "Get the F off the land you stole, and there will be peace." (As long as the sentiment relates to 'stole' there will be misdirected anger. The UN granted this land to Israel. It is the same UN that now sides with Arabs. How come one UN decision is abhorred while other UN decisions are applauded?)

        "Israel can do this on its own, end the occupation and restore justice, and salvage a measure of dignity�"
        (Israel has offered many gestures of peace only to be rebuffed. History will show that Palestinians rejected all efforts for peace. Could it be that peace was never part of their agenda?)

        I have Christianity in my background like you claim to have. Only difference is, I believe that God would like to see peace happen, but certain mentalities first need to be overcome. You seem to use terminology that is both inflaming and oppositional to any viable solutions therefore your attempts are very counterproductive. It appears that you wouldn't want to see peace either. Why after so many one-sided attempts by Israelis there is still no peace in the cards. Could it be that peace would end the purpose and existence of the only jobs some terrorists have? Could it be that if peace were to be achieved, the repressed peoples in Arab lands would then concentrate their energies on their own respective civil disputes? Could it be that this is why peace will not be achieved - that attentions will focus on overthrowing the dictators that rule their countries and those dictators would rather keep the flames burning that be ousted from their positions of power. As you, yourself called them "despotic Arab regimes" , how can peace be achieved with that going on? Can you offer better solutions that merely fan the flames of hate? You say you're not a hate monger, but your words prove otherwise. Calm down and search for both truth and salvation.

    • A fantastic post. That is all that needs to be said and asked. Needless to say,you will not receive A rational response. Busted is illiterate and df has his own agenda.
      Thanks !

 
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