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  • bobofly777 bobofly777 Oct 2, 2004 8:35 PM Flag

    Talk in the ATL pilot lounge today.....

     

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    • >>>>>they are just positioning so they have DALPA right in their sights - take the deal or be walking the plank in BK risking it all <<<<

      Jerry's last hurrah seems to be hooking ALPA like a fish and reeling them in because there's nothing else to lose by matching B/K fire with union footdragging and delay. A deal this late in the game is noteworthy only from the standpoint, like UAIR, it allows each side to enter bankruptcy with their best foot forward, game faces on. If there is no pilot-mgt deal, the contention levels rise immeasurably and the pay back could escalate to do few any good. MGT could be forced to abrogate ALPAs union contract under Rule 1113 (e), plus consider grounding enough jets to rehire whole classes of non-alpa pilots not tainted with ALPA versus Delta ugly retribution and revenge for lost wages, benefits and partial pensions.

    • >>>>quietly DAL is going to tell DALPA a deal needs to be done by the end of this week with a vote by end of next week....if no deal by friday I think DAL goes for the BK solution on the pilots <<<<<

      Isn't it a shame DL had to ride its cash down to $1.5 billion, ruin its credit rating, put thousands of careers in jeapordy, distract every manager from operational considerations to deal with the morale crisis, mostly due to a colossal failure on management's part to confront ALPA a long time ago over skyhigh wages and benefits when Ron and Leo were at the helm?

      One King of Quality, a W.E.Deming, once alluded to the fact 9 times out of 10 when there were corporate problems, management takes the blame. This case appears no different: If after Ron's Pan Am deal to expand trans-Atlantic profits in the early 90s; if after his "Leadership 7.5" to pare domestic costs in the mid-90s; if after Leo's fresh, new brainy approach to leadership and RJ expansion in the late 90s, Delta's stock dropped 96 percent--falling from $71.56 ('99) to almost zero today--can current management say there was a continuing march of progress, of 'continuous improvement' along the lines of Deming? Answer is obvious. The company is in too deep in every respect of the word, to escape the purging, cleansing Chapter 11 solution.

    • Pinehead
      by: i12brich2003 (41/M) 10/04/04 06:57 am
      Msg: 132696 of 132701

      you said "since they negotiated with the union for two years they will get it" They (being management) did not negotiate for two years, they met with the union once in January of 2004 and not again until July. The judge may be just as likely to lean over the bench and slap Delta management for NOT negotiating in good faith as they would like the share holders to believe. GG even got a letter from Congreesman Mac Collins blasting him for laying off 7000 workers while the rejecting a 700+ million deal on the table from tne pilots. You sir a very ill informed!

    • Typical comments from ripper99x.
      Looks like it changed it's name 9/23/04.

      Not much intellect here.

      dipshit?
      I knew you were queer!
      You are a lunatic,
      Hilarious? Maybe if you are twelve years old.
      Southwest remains profitable and growing
      they are royally screwed.
      you post as rjs_dbsi, motnot, and iahphx?
      Shutdown the whole system, imo

    • Outstanding post!

      Sometimes the truth hurts, eh pinvestment dipshit?

    • you said "since they negotiated with the union for two years they will get it" They (being management) did not negotiate for two years, they met with the union once in January of 2004 and not again until July. The judge may be just as likely to lean over the bench and slap Delta management for NOT negotiating in good faith as they would like the share holders to believe. GG even got a letter from Congreesman Mac Collins blasting him for laying off 7000 workers while the rejecting a 700+ million deal on the table from tne pilots. You sir a very ill informed!

    • Love will tear us apart. Robots will create the tale that will be told, which will be told by Robots. Why do you keep referring to Burger King...does Delta own them too? The whopper is flame broiled by a Robotic Broiler.

      There are flies inside my computer monitor. I've tried a swatter and fly paper, but they are still there...what do I do???

    • God, i hope so! Management needs to give these guys an ultimatum. There is no reason to believe that normal talks will achieve anything when they haven't gone anywhere in the past two years. If the pilots plan to give, it won't be until we're within hours of BK anyway.

    • I think quietly DAL is going to tell DALPA a deal needs to be done by the end of this week with a vote by end of next week - for those holding the common if no deal by friday I think DAL goes for the BK solution on the pilots - I may even buy some common and wait until friday - if no deal look for some quick moving

    • nope bearmarket you have it wrong the way DAL is positioning they are going to get the deal they want out of BK or they will go into BK and ask for the farm - and since they negotiated with the union for two years they will get it - in BK DAL with ask for 55-65% in wages and similar cuts in benefits and if the union doesn't take that in two weeks - then they will get the deal voided and seniority and pensions will be gone and 55-65% cuts will be coming

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