skip, i read all posts on ARTW and usually you are the only one visiting the sites. maybe you mis-understood me about Vessels. It is very bullish that quotes are coming in since the lack of sales over the last year. ARTW sounded very bullish on the turn-around on Vessels which appears to be taking place. ARTW described a situation with outsourcing in paint as i recall for Vessels which has been corrected. imagine a 3 million plus revenue division again. the profit in Vessels was healthy. with droughts in the west and south and Vessels specializing in water containers and a liner cutting costs of the unit and new mgmt this sounds good. T.Boone Pickens is predicting $60 dollars on oil before it see's $40.00? unfortunately dairy farmers are losing money on milk. dairy farmers in the short run will not be buying new equipment. any more visits to ARTW plants please report.