The problem with this group of bashers is they are extreme liberals. I have no problem with the normal Lib. (my wife is one). However, these can't win normal argruments so they will defy logic as you say by screaming and ranting and raaving. You see, I think we should encourage them to continue being idiots until we win. The best one right now is Ubuiquity on the FRG board. He has been bashing since the stock was 3 bucks. They actually get paid for what they do by the shorts. The logic is clear, this deal is near.