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  • mississippijohnhurt mississippijohnhurt Dec 29, 2003 10:46 PM Flag

    Remarks on competition

    I am interested to hear from anyone that can quantify the competitive threat. Is there a less expensive laser available? Is there a more effective laser available.
    I am searching for any significant weakness in the BLTI story and have yet to find anything.

    And one other things to all longs....please, please stop replying to these shallow shorts. Unless a credible contrary opinion is presented can't you please refrain from letting the shorts suck you into an fight. The back and forth bullshit gives the shorts exactly what they want, negativity on what should remain an extremely positive board. The short's vacuous claims are like terrorist's threats.

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    • critique, so take your little gold nuggets and shove them up your ass. How's that for humor? BTW, say hello to C... for me.




      http://messages.yahoo.com/bbs?action=m&board=7076626&tid=blti&mid=45213&sid=7076
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    • Start with # 3

      My words:
      "Kavo produces a diagnosic only laser, {and} their are rumors about a hard tissue laser sold in south America or will be sold in the future and other rumors kavo uses a Rusian laser, don't have the time to check it out"

      Your words:
      #3) KaVo's laser is not "diagnostic only".
      http://www.kavo.com/De/produkte/therapie_instrumente/laser3/laser3.asp?navid=27& lan=De
      Does that look like diagnostics?"

      A. There is word called "AND" in that quote. It means the diagnostic AND .....bah bah
      B. You know they sell a >>(diagnostic)<<< only laser in the US and through out the world the laser 3 is new and is not sold here. I indicated I heard rumors etc that I didn't have time to check it out. You can read the words above. You total twisted it.

      Thanks a lot I didn't need you to totally impugn the integrity of my post. Now I feel obligated to go over each item and clarify your misinterpretation of my post. And the only one that cares is me.

      Next we go into law suits. Suing to narrow the scope of a patent's intellectual art or suing for money damages is a very different matter but they can both involve infringement of a patent. LATER!!

    • Saying BLTI has competition (besides the alternative of turbine drills) is like saying Windows has competition for operating systems on PC's.

      It's there, but then again, it ain't.

    • Saying there is competition for BLTI is like saying there's competition for Windows on home PCs.

      It's there, but then again, it ain't.

    • Once again, wrong, wrong, and wrong. But I don't have the time to correct EVERY SINGLE MISINTERPRETATION today.
      1) Making too much noise wasn't what I have said. Show me!
      2) Diodem purchased PLSIA's patents, that's right. Your conclusions are wrong though. Diodem is not PLSIA. You can't sue Diodem for what PLSIA was doing. Go figure.
      3) KaVo's laser is not "diagnostic only".
      http://www.kavo.com/De/produkte/therapie_instrumente/laser3/laser3.asp?navid=27&
      lan=De

      Does that look like diagnostics?
      4) Millennium, goodness me! Boy, get a grip! You're mixing up the Millennium, the WATERLASE'S PREDECESSOR which of course was a hard AND soft tissue laser, and the Periolase, a Nd:YAG soft tissue dental laser manufactured by Millennium Dental. http://www.millenniumdental.com/periolase.html

      As I've said before I don't have the time to mess around with all that crap and misleading "info" you're posting all day. Go and read a lot more Michael Moretti docs, it might help you out of the confusion.

      Amiga2000C

    • Get a life loser

    • Amiga has me on ignore, so it might be a good idea to pass this answer on. According to Amiga, I make to much noise defending BLTI against Pkew. Amiga's answer to lies etc about the stock are to ignore them (sometimes), "they will go away". I believe for the benefit of newbies, its best to confront lies and misinformation.

      Amiga is not wrong very often but he is wrong in that post. 1. Diodem purchased premier patents. Premier produced and sold hard tissue lasers and premiers patents IMO infringe on
      AMT's patents. BLTI purchased AMT's patents. By deduction diodem infringed on BLTI's patents. The filing of a patent that infringes on another patent is infringement, to collect damages for infringement may require actual production and sale of the product ( with the exception of damages for the cost of attorney fee's)

      2. ConBIO is Hoya, opus is LUME both use AMT's patents. Kavo produces a diagnosic only laser, and their are rumors about a hard tissue laser sold in south America or will be sold in the future and other rumors kavo uses a Rusian laser, don't have the time to check it out. Don't know if the Deka or fotona use the AMT patents but the Millennium amiga list as a soft tissue laser is a hard tissue lasser and I believe also pays a royalty to BLTI.

      I found this today, you might be interested!!

      At this time(like oct 1999), the key patents are held by American Dental Technologies, BioLase Technology and Premier Laser Systems. ADT holds the fundamental patents on use of Nd:YAG and erbium lasers for dentistry. Patent No. 4,818,230 covers Nd:YAG for hard and soft tissue. It was issued in 1989 to the Myers brothers, who founded ADT.

      ADT also owns patent Nos. 5,342,198 and 5,257,935, which cover the use of mid-infrared lasers (erbium) for hard-tissue dentistry. These patents were issued to the founder of Sunrise Technologies (former supplier of lasers to ADT) and the Myers brothers as a result of collaborative work that led to the first filing with the U.S. Patent and Trademark Office in 1988. Lengthy litigation occurred between ADT and Sunrise for several years until a settlement was reached that gave ADT full rights to the patents.

    • Millineum is a company selling a nd:yag for perio procedures, not the od brand name for BLTI formr product.Kavo has an Er:yag that is sold in Europe an has started an aggressve campaign in Canada, they have applied for FDA approval in U.S. Kavo also sells alow cost diagonstic laser in the U.S.

    • Amiga has me on ignore, so Robert might have to pass this answer on.

      According to Amiga, I make to much noise defending BLTI against Pkew. Amiga's answer to lies etc about the stock are to ignore them, "they will go away". I believe for the benefit of newbies, its best to confront lies and misinformation.

      Amiga not wrong very often but he is wrong in that post. 1. Diodem purchased premier patents. Premier produced and sold hard tissue lasers and premiers patents IMO infringe on
      AMT's patents. BLTI purchased AMT's patents. By deduction diodem infringed on BLTI's patents. The filing of a patent that infringes on another patent is infringement, to collect damages for infringement may require actual production and sale of the product ( with the exception of damages for the cost of attorney fee's)

      2. ConBIO is Hoya, opus is LUME both use AMT's patents. Kavo produces a diagnosic only laser, and their are rumors about a hard tissue laser sold in south America or will be sold in the future and other rumors kavo uses a Rusian laser, don't have the time to check it out. Don't know if the Deka or fotona use the AMT patents but the Millennium amiga list as a soft tissue laser is a hard tissue lasser and I believe also pays a royalty to BLTI.

      I found this today, you might be interested!!

      At this time(1999), the key patents are held by American Dental Technologies, BioLase Technology and Premier Laser Systems. ADT holds the fundamental patents on use of Nd:YAG and erbium lasers for dentistry. Patent No. 4,818,230 covers Nd:YAG for hard and soft tissue. It was issued in 1989 to the Myers brothers, who founded ADT.

      ADT also owns patent Nos. 5,342,198 and 5,257,935, which cover the use of mid-infrared lasers (erbium) for hard-tissue dentistry. These patents were issued to the founder of Sunrise Technologies (former supplier of lasers to ADT) and the Myers brothers as a result of collaborative work that led to the first filing with the U.S. Patent and Trademark Office in 1988. Lengthy litigation occurred between ADT and Sunrise for several years until a settlement was reached that gave ADT full rights to the patents.

    • Premier Laser got an approval and crap load of publicity in 1996 for its Centauri laser or whatever they called it, Katie Couric gushing over the thing on NBC and all that jazz. Stock shot up from 3 or 4 to 16 overnight practically, and then it was all downhill from there straight to bankruptcy.

      BioLase stock rose some on the coattails of this news as its then un-approved "Millenium" was an up an coming competitor -- and look who is still around. Of course there is about 5 years between where BioLase stock did little.

      I have always thought the name change was to shed an old sounding name once 2000 rolled around, but I have no idea why the name changed.

      Anyone thinking Millenium is BioLase competition is a dope.

      Mile

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