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  • aa1120002001 aa1120002001 Feb 5, 2002 10:52 PM Flag

    Warning to shorts.

    There is a sting operation being performed on shorts who are minipulating this stock.
    As the Blinder Robinson & Stewart James the regulators watched for 5 years.The word on the st was
    "How can the SEC do nothing and let them get away with it"
    These houses were blatant with a careless attitude.Then the Hammer fell & cleaned out not only the houses but all connected with them.I mean there was blood in the streets at that time.
    Now a new batch of crooks & the complaints about the shorts & market minipulation by them has run high,the same questions are being asked about the regulators.
    When will there be justice ?
    How can they let them get away with it?
    The wheels of justice turn slowly but they always complete a circle.
    Retail shorts, they are small & the price rise will be enough punishment.
    The hedge funds think they are untouchable,just like Al Capone or the Gambino crime family (who was put away by Aaron Marcu).
    However, when the regulators have enough evidence & they are certain there is no way out they will act.

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    • <<REFR's own S3 says its issuing the shares under rule 415 of the 1933 code. I posted the entire rule except for part of the last section which was cut off.

      What section do you think is relevant.>>

      I thought we agreed on which section was relevant. We just disagree about how to read it.

      <<Do you talk to Harary?>>

      Never spoken to the man, as far as I know. (I have exchanged an e-mail or two - actually, precisely two, I believe.)

      <<Why not just ask him.>>

      Doesn't seem worth the trouble. I am satisfied with my reading of the "on behalf of" issue. I'm not satisfied that you've defined the other issue sufficiently so that I could ask an intelligent question.

      <<Seems like a perfect opportunity to shut me up.>>

      What, and not have soulard as a whipping boy? Perish the thought. Since the more obvious Gary aliases devolved into profanity and gibberish, you are almost the only "basher" alias left with any entertainment value. I think this registration issue is non-existent, but I've learned a lot about registrations in the process of discussing it, and I'm not sorry you brought it up.

      (I actually object to the word "basher," and don't like to use it - but I'm stumped. What other word do you use to describe someone who professes to not own shares of a company and participates in Internet chat solely to denigrate the company's accomplishments?)

      <<We could get him on record then have the SEC take a look.>>

      I'm not in the business of entrapping anybody. We'll leave that to Asensio. Anyway, the company is already on record with the SEC and if, as you say, Harary reads every word here, I couldn't catch him by surprise anyway.

      <<It is a very specific point where my argument is exposed. This is not just "it's taken too long; I think their misleading" or any of the other subjective points that are impossible to prove or disprove.>>

      Fair enough. I'm content to leave it to the SEC to judge the right-and-wrong of this. And I am, as always, pleased to hear any elaboration you have on your theory.

    • REFR's own S3 says its issuing the shares under rule 415 of the 1933 code. I posted the entire rule except for part of the last section which was cut off.

      What section do you think is relevant.

      Do you talk to Harary? Why not just ask him. Seems like a perfect opportunity to shut me up. We could get him on record then have the SEC take a look. It is a very specific point where my argument is exposed. This is not just "it's taken too long; I think their misleading" or any of the other subjective points that are impossible to prove or disprove.

    • From SEC S-3 filed documents here is the paragraph preventing short sale positions. This is why the short position has no where to go for shares and why Manuel Asensio asked REFR to sell his client shares.

      Ailouros has also been given permission to take a 9.9% stake in the company, further putting shares into strong hands.


      <<(f) Subscriber, and any person acting in concert with Subscriber, currently has no existing short position, and during the last 20 trading days had no short position, with respect to the common stock of the Company and agrees not to enter into any short sales or other hedging transactions with respect to any securities of the Company at any time after the execution of this Agreement by Subscriber and so long as any Warrants are held by or for the benefit of Subscriber or its affiliates or persons acting in concert with Subscriber or its affiliates or any Warrants are outstanding. >>

    • It only looks that way to you because you're NotRealBright, just like the other shorts.

    • <Ailouros is not restricted as to when, how, and whom they sell.

      I challenge you to prove otherwise>

      Don't know but they also have no control over where they buy them.

    • <financing?

      That's what you have when they do a floorless convertible stock deal.

      That's what I suppect the deal is with Ailouros.

      This would be very nasty for investors.

      That's my theroy for obscuring the transactions with Ailouros.

      Happens mainly with offshore firms.>

      Is that reall what you suppect the deal is and not a simple put like what's been disclosed in the 8-k's. Do some DD mr "wall st" and stop assuming

    • <<Research Frontiers is clearly the issuer and the registrant.>>

      Agreed.

      <<Ailouros is the underwriter/investor who may or may not re-issue shares. Re-issued shares, which are not only contemplated but for certain accomplished here, are on behalf of REFR.>>

      You're right that we could go round and round on this. Terms like "on behalf of" are terms of legal art that I am not familiar with, and therefore I could be wrong in my interpretation, but ...

      Research Frontiers will not be offering these shares for sale. Research Frontiers will get no proceeds from the sale of these shares. Therefore, the sales are not taking place "on behalf of" Research Frontiers. Or so I read it ... but I freely grant my general cluelessness in this matter.

      I am a little bit more familiar with IPO registrations. If you look at how those are structured, you will see that many times, stock is not offered *by* an issuer, but is offered *on behalf* of the issuer. That's *not* how this registration is structured.

      <<I don't expect you to rely on chat board interpretations. The information is to pique your interest enough to check it out. It's not the infraction in and of itself that would concern me, but where it possibly points to.>>

      Right. I agree. And since the Ailouros funding has clearly led to nothing but good for Research Frontiers and its shareholders, it's hard for me to get too worked up about the technicalities.

      (In truth, I think the infractions would be pretty important, in and of themselves, if I was persuaded the infractions existed. I am a big believer in following the technicalities. One of the reasons Manuel doesn't pass the smell test is his dismissal of his infractions as "technicalities.")

      Anyway, it all goes back to the "smell test." This just doesn't smell particularly bad to me, and doesn't strike me as being worth acquiring a law degree to uncover. If you have the goods, you'll notify the SEC and they'll take care of it. They have a staff for that.

      And, as you point out, your investment knowledge and sophistication is much deeper than mine. If you want to explain it in words a neophyte like myself can understand, that would be fine, too.

    • Thats because you must be a proctoligist,and therefore have a Shi**y out-LOOK on things.

    • ...Ailouros is restricted in when and how and to whom they sell...

      Please show me the link to the filing.

    • Ailouros is not restricted as to when, how, and whom they sell.

      I challenge you to prove otherwise.

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