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  • shareholder101 shareholder101 Feb 10, 2002 8:10 PM Flag

    Is REFR a Scam

    I have no position in REFR. I have, however, read Asensio's news releases. I have been on the wrong side of two Asensio short reports and thought it worth a look to see why he is bashing this company. From what I can see they have been in business for quite some time and have almost no revenues and lots of losses. If their product actually works and they are producing materials to order for their liscensees, then why don't their licensees have products using SPD announced and in their catalogs. I went to the BOS web site and there were no products. Am I missing anything or is this an investment grade short at any price.

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    • <SolveEx had a technology that they tried to exploit for almost 10 years. When they finaly raised sufficient funds to implement their technology they constructed a plant which was never finished.>

      If you read the Solvex case, you will see very little that is similar. Alan Abelson started the attack and because of his fame, venture capital pulled out quickly before the final infusion of funds was invested to complete the plant. Furthermore, Solvex was not licensing others. It was commercializing their technology completely on their own, so there is room for doubt about the merit of their technology. Maybe it was good, maybe it was not.

      With REFR, we have a totally different situation. The company is not producing anything. It is licensing a technology to others and collecting a 5 to 10 percent. Furthermore, the factory is built and SPD film is being mass produced and shipped to backlogged customers, who in turn will be producing final SPD products.

      The crucial point that you are missing, either by design or ignorance, is that the licensees are validating the merit of the SPD technology because they are putting out the time, effort, and money to develop the products.

      Do I have to draw you a picture? I think you are short, a pretending to be a newcomer who wants to know more about REFR. I don't why I waste my time with guys like you, except for the possibility that some newcomer may be reading this.

    • SolveEx had a technology that they tried to exploit for almost 10 years. When they finaly raised sufficient funds to implement their technology they constructed a plant which was never finished. When they went into bankruptcy the plant and the leases they had were purchased on a contingency basis so that if the technology worked SolvEx would still survive. That was several years ago and the plant and the technology were abandoned. Additionally, SolvEx claimed that it had a process for low cost production of alumina, and nothing came of that. The parallel I draw is a company that promises much and delivers little. If REFR actually does go into production, that will be great for the longs, but if their are no products forthcomming in the next few months, then this is a penny stock.

    • ""The reason I am
      questioning REFR is that it fits the profile of SolvEx. ""

      No way does it fit the SolvEx case. To begin with, SolvEx was almost out of money. They had a big venture capitalist ready to invest to allow commercialization of their technology. Then, they got hit by Abelson and others in a vicious attack which scared away the venture capital.

      REFR is well capitalized and works through an infrastructure of licensees who are now producing SPD products and will be displaying heavily in Feb and March.

      Since you (shareholder101) are a new poster on this board, you should get your facts straight before posting a message that is so easily shot down.

    • Shereholder101, short away fool and then
      do what every other short seller will do, and that is put your head between your knees and kiss your ass goodbye.

      http://www.debsfunpages.com/head.htm

      Francois:

      Faites ce que chaque autre vendeur � d�couvert fera, et cela est mis votre t�te entre vos genoux et embrasse votre �ne au revoir.


      Manuel:

      Haga lo que har� cada otro vendedor corto, y eso se pone su cabeza entre sus rodillas y besa su asno adi�s.

      I see we are getting new resident bashers and shorts here lately. Most of the old ones already received a bone-us!(dolly how is my French-Canadian?)

    • right about. As far as I can see he's always wrong.

    • Please help us hold this POS down. I think you can borrow shares somewhere. Short as much as you can. Thanks.

    • <If their product actually works and they are producing materials to order for their licensees, then why don't their licensees have products using SPD announced and in their catalogs.... Am I missing anything?>

      You sure are. In the coming weeks, you can order SPD helicopter windows, SPD home windows, conventional aircraft windows, and a variety of SPD products at the Singapore and Houston shows.

      So, if you want catalogs, quotes, prices, availability, go to any of the following shows where the licensees are displaying SPD products. Bear in mind that the factory only opened a week or two back because SPD film mass production has only now begun. Check out any of these shows for all those details you are after:


      1. Heli-Expo 2002 being held in Orlando, Florida, February 14-16, 2002 (InspecTech Aero Service�s products will be featured in the AeroSolutions and Bell Helicopter/Textron booths)

      2. Kyeonghyang Housing Fair which is Korea�s largest housing material exhibition being held in Seoul, Korea February 17-23, 2002. (Hankuk Glass Industries/SPD Inc. booth)

      3. Asian Aerospace Show being held in Singapore, February 26 - March 3, 2002 (InspecTech Aero Service�s products are scheduled to be featured in the AAR Corporation booth)

      4. GlassTech Asia 2002, the 3rd International Glass Products, Glass Manufacturing Processing & Materials Exhibition & Conference being held in Singapore, March 6-8, 2002 (SPD Inc. booth will feature various products by SPD Inc. and InspecTech Aero Service)

      5. NGA Show being held in Houston, Texas, March 20-22, 2002 sponsored by the National Glass Association, the Glass Association of North America, and the American Architectural Manufacturers Association (Research Frontiers booth will feature SPD-SmartTM products made by its various licensees)

    • <<Am I missing anything or is this an investment grade short at any price.>>

      YOU are missing a BRAIN!!!

      GO AHEAD and SHORT!!! Don't forget to tell everyone WHERE YOU BORROW THOSE SHARE!!!

      The LEMMINGS here have to BUY BACK 1,700,000 shares of REFR, and NO ONE IS SELLING. I am sure they would BENEFIT GREATLY if some FOOL like YOU would RELIEVE them of some of their 1,700,000 OBLIGATIONS!!!

      LONGS ARE FEEEEEEEELING THEIR POWER!!!

    • >>>>>>Am I missing anything or is this an investment grade short at any price. >>>>>>

      You are not missing anything. However, I would prefer to short >$20. There is an unbelievable amount of support for this stock, (unjustified). At some point that will break, and it will reach its true value, <$2. It may take several years. I have consistently made money shorting this stock, but there are better shorts out there. I hope this helps you.

      • 1 Reply to poccidenarri
      • You are missing EVERYTHING. However, I would prefer to short >$20.

        There is an unbelievable amount of support for this stock, (I BELIEVE TO BE unjustified, BUT I CAN'T DIRECT YOU TO ANY WEBSITE OR SOURCE, BECAUSE THERE ISN'T ANY). At some point that will breakOUT, and it will reach its true value, <$200. It may take several MONTHS. I have consistently made money shorting this stock, BUT AGAIN, I HAVE NO SOURCES TO PROVE THAT, BECAUSE I AM A PAID SHILL, but there are better shorts out there.

        I hope this helps you.

 
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