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  • cpa38 cpa38 Jul 16, 2003 3:31 PM Flag

    When's the next whining session?

    whining session - conference call.

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    • so, which is the multitude of posts I've made on this board resembled what the fools had to say?

      Options aren't free?
      Whining about your stock price on conference calls is not a smart move?
      Monkeys could run an outplacement firm in a bad economy?
      RHT is at it's peak and it's downhill from here?
      DCF analyses is too subjective and therefore bunk?
      A 37.5% match on 401K, on top of a rich bonus plan, on top of a hefty 37.5% match on a deferred compensation plan, on top of a slew of free options that give rise to 20% shareholder dilution, on top of a 15% discount on company stock purchases ... is just a tad beyond normal, like THEFT from the shareholders?
      that executives who want to line their pockets on the backs of shareholders should just take the damn company private?

      or ... was it one of a multitude of other issues I've raisen and debated here?

      I don't care what the fools say. I rarely listen to or read the work of the fools. Because ... well ... they are fools.

    • so if they are fools,.........

    • Sorry. Don't read the fools. They are fools.

      When's the whining session?

    • <If you want to crunch some numbers, focus on free cash flow yield to current enterprise value. If involves no subjective judgement. Although a raw number there is worthless. The value comes from comparing the result to other industry players and taking the ones with the highest yield.>

      Me thinks "cpa" hath been reading ye oldie fool.com articles again. Verily, the "cpa" was obtained there!

    • Yep. Not hard. But too damn subjective. Projecting out future growth rates is like taking a trip to Vegas. You what? You took the analysts projected growth rates? What are you, dumb as dirt? 15% ... Excuse me, I need to go laugh my ass off now.

      If you absolutely must, I suggest you use a negative growth rate of 10% to 15%. You are not in the trough son, you are at the peak. There's only one direction from here ... down the toilet.

      Then there's the appropriate discount rate. Did you actually compute the weighted average cost of capital? Or, just stick your thumb out the window to see which way the wind was blowing? More importantly, did you tack on 900 basis points for the overcompensated and over optioned mgt team?

      DCF is worthless to all but college professors. It's far too subjective for actual use in the real world.

      If you want to crunch some numbers, focus on free cash flow yield to current enterprise value. If involves no subjective judgement. Although a raw number there is worthless. The value comes from comparing the result to other industry players and taking the ones with the highest yield.

    • Come on now. Don't be afraid cpa. The DCF really isn't that hard to do. Yes it includes the dilution factor. Take historicals for the CapEx/Rev, Dep/Rev and WkCap/Rev and it is really quite easy. The only trick is coming up with a conservative growth rate into perpetuity. Try running one and see what you come up with. If I goose that growth rate up to 15% over the next 5 years, which is probably more realistic given that we are currently in the "trough" earning cycle and I can almost hear you screaming in pain. Can you say $30?!?!

      Where did you get your cpa, a cracker jack box?

    • You assume too much.

      When trading's slow, I like to hang out on the Yahoo boards of companies who are shafting the investing public. Companies whose executives feed too much at the compensation trough. Companies whose lack of regard for their shareholders is just down right repulsive.

      Excessive options issuance has not been resolved. It won't be resolved until plenty of options are cancelled. Options dilution needs to go from 20% down to a reasonable 7 to 8%. Even if they were issued years ago, doesn't mean they can't and shouldn't be cancelled.

      Compensation - you are another damn fool who would stop a thief just to make sure he took not only your wallet, but also your watch and the keys to your car and home. Just because it's always been a problem in the industry doesn't make it acceptable now.

      Bib - your arguments are starting to sound like that of a fool. It's happened, it's always been a problem, it's the way it is, it can't be changed ... let's look the other way and forget about it. You can't defend RHT. There is no defense.

      20% options dilution
      37.5% 401 K match
      37.5% deferred compensation match
      rich bonus plans

      Feeding at the trough of the investing public. Poor corporate governance. This is not a public company. It's a racket to line the pockets of the whining executives of this company.

      RHT should not be a public company. This company needs to be private.

    • The only whining this Board constantly hears is from you, cpa. You wouldn't know a well-run Organization, like Right, if it hit you in your baby rattle.
      Stop already. The Bib Man has rendered you,(and your whining) moot.

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      • Haven't heard anything from you or Bib to convince a reasonable, rational person that RHT is a decent investment. Bib has his head stuck in the sand. I suspect you'd stop a thief who stole your wallet and offer up your watch and the keys to your car too.

        Do you listen to the whining sessions or read the SEC filings?

        This company has no business being a public company. If they want to be public, let them list on the Baghdad stock exchange.

 
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