Oh! That Walnut Creek. No wonder you did not know about the Derr Dutchman resturaunt in Walnut Creek Ohio. I meant the rating agencies that rated the MBS products AAA when they knew they were really worthless. They were shown and interviewed on the expose about a year ago on MSNBC or CNBC. They should be in jail now. They defrauded the whole world, and are a fundamental reason for the shift in power from the lesse? faire economics to over regulatation that we are facing soon.