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  • elk_1l elk_1l Jun 17, 2013 3:29 PM Flag

    OT: Lindsey Graham; GOP in a Death Spiral

    June 17, 2013  | Daily Kos / By Laura Clawson

     
    Immigration reform sure has Republicans in a bind [3]. After all, Sen. Lindsey Graham was not wrong when he said, on Sunday's Meet the Press, that:

    "... if we don’t pass immigration reform, if we don’t get it off the table in a reasonable, practical way, it doesn’t matter who you run in 2016. We’re in a demographic death spiral as a party and the only way we can get back in good graces with the Hispanic community in my view is pass comprehensive immigration reform. If you don’t do that, it really doesn’t matter who we run in my view."
    He's sure not wrong [4] that the GOP can't continue to be the party of white men, to hell with brown people, and succeed. So you'd think it would be an obvious choice to any Republican who could read polls and demographic data. Yet Sen. Marco Rubio demonstrates the other side of the Republican bind on immigration as he continues doing the will-he-or-won't-he dance [3]on the immigration reform bill he helped write.
    "I think 95, 96 percent of the bill is in perfect shape and ready to go. But there are elements that need to be improved," said Rubio, refusing to say if he’ll vote for the measure he helped write unless changes are made.
    Who knows, maybe Rubio is holding out for the 98 percent [5] of what he wanted that John Boehner got on the debt limit deal that created sequestration. But either way, his very public ambivalence highlights the fact that it's only going to get harder for Republicans to win elections in a lot of key swing states if they can't appeal to Latino and Asian voters—but for now, Republicans with personal, short-term ambition know that their party's primary-voting base will punish them for not scapegoating brown people enough.
    And this dilemma couldn't happen to a more deserving party or set of politicians.  
     
    Immigration reform sure has Republicans in a bind [3]. After all, Sen. Lindsey Graham was not wrong when he said, on Sunday's Meet the Press, that:

    "... if we don’t pass immigration reform, if we don’t get it off the table in a reasonable, practical way, it doesn’t matter who you run in 2016. We’re in a demographic death spiral as a party and the only way we can get back in good graces with the Hispanic community in my view is pass comprehensive immigration reform. If you don’t do that, it really doesn’t matter who we run in my view."
    He's sure not wrong [4] that the GOP can't continue to be the party of white men, to hell with brown people, and succeed. So you'd think it would be an obvious choice to any Republican who could read polls and demographic data. Yet Sen. Marco Rubio demonstrates the other side of the Republican bind on immigration as he continues doing the will-he-or-won't-he dance [3]on the immigration reform bill he helped write.
    "I think 95, 96 percent of the bill is in perfect shape and ready to go. But there are elements that need to be improved," said Rubio, refusing to say if he’ll vote for the measure he helped write unless changes are made.
    Who knows, maybe Rubio is holding out for the 98 percent [5] of what he wanted that John Boehner got on the debt limit deal that created sequestration. But either way, his very public ambivalence highlights the fact that it's only going to get harder for Republicans to win elections in a lot of key swing states if they can't appeal to Latino and Asian voters—but for now, Republicans with personal, short-term ambition know that their party's primary-voting base will punish them for not scapegoating brown people enough.
    And this dilemma couldn't happen to a more deserving party or set of politicians. 

    Immigration reform sure has Republicans in a bind [3]. After all, Sen. Lindsey Graham was not wrong when he said, on Sunday's Meet the Press, that:

    "... if we don’t pass immigration reform, if we don’t get it off the table in a reasonable, practical way, it doesn’t matter who you run in 2016. We’re in a demographic death spiral as a party and the only way we can get back in good graces with the Hispanic community in my view is pass comprehensive immigration reform. If you don’t do that, it really doesn’t matter who we run in my view."

    He's sure not wrong [4] that the GOP can't continue to be the party of white men, to hell with brown people, and succeed. So you'd think it would be an obvious choice to any Republican who could read polls and demographic data. Yet Sen. Marco Rubio demonstrates the other side of the Republican bind on immigration as he continues doing the will-he-or-won't-he dance [3]on the immigration reform bill he helped write.

    "I think 95, 96 percent of the bill is in perfect shape and ready to go. But there are elements that need to be improved," said Rubio, refusing to say if he’ll vote for the measure he helped write unless changes are made.
    Who knows, maybe Rubio is holding out for the 98 percent [5] of what he wanted that John Boehner got on the debt limit deal that created sequestration. But either way, his very public ambivalence highlights the fact that it's only going to get harder for Republicans to win elections in a lot of key swing states if they can't appeal to Latino and Asian voters—but for now, Republicans with personal, short-term ambition know that their party's primary-voting base will punish them for not scapegoating brown people enough.

    And this dilemma couldn't happen to a more deserving party or set of politicians.

    Sentiment: Strong Buy

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    • Elk, this is a joke, LIndsey Graham and everyone else knows what he holdup is, BORDER SECURITY. It must come first if ithe illegal immigration problem is to be resolved. NO NATION CAN EXIST AS A SOVEREIGNNATION IF IT IS UNABLE TO CONTROL ITS BORERSL oF COURSE, .

      • 1 Reply to dickw3939
      • dickw, the problem of Mexican border security control is easily solved. Starting on the Mexican side of the border we build a very large and very accessible tunnel. We make sure it goes under the Mexican-US border and then continues on under the Rockies through the length of them and comes out on the other side of the US-Canadian border. Voilà, no problemos.

        Sentiment: Strong Buy

    • DANA ROHRABACHER WARNS JOHN BOEHNER ON SPEAKERSHIP

      Rebecca Elliott, June 18, 2013 | Politico

      Rep. Dana Rohrabacher (R-Calif.) says Speaker John Boehner should be ousted if he rams through an immigration bill without majority Republican support.

      “If Speaker Boehner moves forward and permits this to come to a vote even though the majority of the Republicans in the House—and that’s if they do—oppose whatever it is that’s coming to a vote, he should be removed as Speaker,” Rohrabacher said on World Net Daily radio on Monday.

      Rohrabacher was responding to Boehner’s assertion that immigration reform is at the top of his legislative agenda and his suggestion in an interview with ABC last week in which he would not rule out pushing a bill through without the support of a majority of his party, a violation of the so-called “Hastert rule.”

      “I would consider that a betrayal of the Republican members of the House and a betrayal of the Republicans throughout the country,” Rohrabacher said.

      The Washington Examiner reported Sunday that Boehner has decided he will not call a vote without his party’s backing.

      Rohrabacher also said he is “alerting the American people to this danger that is right upon us” and he slammed the Gang of Eight for voting down Sen. Chuck Grassley’s (R-Iowa) amendment requiring the implementation of stricter border security before legalization. “There will be no border security improvements. It’ll all be a facade,” Rohrabacher said of the bill.

      He also attacked the immigration bill’s supporters, saying “those people pushing this bill are doing it in the most deceptive and dishonest way.”

      Number one on Rohrabacher’s list is Sen. Marco Rubio (R-Fla.), whom he accused of using “weasel words” in a bid for reform. “Rubio is so mixed up and so confused. I think he has given up his rightful place to advise any of us in Washington what to do and…he’s given up any right to be trusted by the American people,” Rohrabacher said.

      He continued: “I’m not going to vote for any bill that has a provision that legalizes the status of those people who are here illegally.”

      Sentiment: Strong Buy

    • elk- it doesn't matter, people will always vote for someone that promises to give them something for free.democrats will always be willing to give away other people money. “The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.”
      ― Margaret Thatcher

      • 1 Reply to suretowin
      • Yes, suretown, we are all right there with you, Ian Rubbish and the Bizzaros:

        "Hey Maggie Thatcher/You’re all right.
        Thanks to you I sleep at night.”

        Sweet Iron Lady, I want to kiss your iron fist.
        You crushed the Argentinians, you killed a few, they won’t be missed

        let’s go for a drive
        when i’m with you i feel alive
        when we’re done we can privatize
        our nations industry……"

        Sentiment: Strong Buy

    • maybe the repub's can redistrict so all "brown people" voting have no voice.