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  • dickw3939 dickw3939 Apr 8, 2014 10:42 AM Flag

    Subject:Do you remember September 29,1959? It is coming to pass!

    Found this relevant to today:

    Now here is some food for thought if it does not make us choke!
    Do you remember when Russian (Soviet Union) Nikita Khrushchev
    appeared at the U.N. and banged his shoe on the podium?
    THIS WAS HIS ENTIRE QUOTE:
    "Your children's children will live under communism, You Americans are so gullible.
    No, you won't accept communism outright;
    but we will keep feeding you small doses of socialism until you will finally wake up and
    find you already have Communism.
    We will not have to fight you; We will so weaken
    your economy, until you will fall like overripe fruit into our hands."
    ----------------------------------------------------------------------
    "The democracy will cease to exist when you take
    away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not."
    By Thomas Jefferson
    -------
    Remember, socialism leads to Communism.
    So, how do you create a Socialistic State?
    There are 8 levels of control that must be obtained before you are able to create a social state.
    Read the following recipe for it:
    "The first is the most important".
    1) Healthcare - Control healthcare and you control the people.
    2) Poverty - Increase the poverty level as high as possible,
    poor people are easier to control and will not fight back if you are providing everything for them to live.
    3) Debt - Increase the debt to an unsustainable level.
    That way you are able to increase taxes, and this will produce more poverty.
    4) Gun Control-Remove the ability to defend themselves from the Government.
    That way you are able to create a police state.
    5) Welfare - Take control of every aspect (food, housing,
    income) of their lives because that will make them fully dependent on the government.
    6) Education - Take control of what people read and listen to
    and take control of what children learn in school.
    7) Religion - Remove the belief in God from the Government and schools because the people need to believe in ONLY the government knowing what is best for them.

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    • BTW, dickw, did I somehow miss your response to this post of mine:

      +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

      Re: || The democracy will cease to exist when you take 
away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not."
By Thomas Jefferson ||

      Another great moment for you, dickw. The above is a key quote in your post. It truly is another great moment in the lies and gross distortions that you and your RWNJ pals generate and then latch on to and spread all over the place with no attempt to validate and no concern for the truth and integrity you claim to champion nor with any respect for the Founding Fathers you claim to be quoting.

      Your above quote is just totally fabricated and then sent out to you idiot RWNJs who then send it all over the place solely because you like it for its expedience and convenient fit into your ideology (which it was crafted to do) and with that as the sole criteria all you RWNJs are then just totally ecstatic to never check a God damned thing, integrity and truth be damned though they may, that is ok with you lying maniacs. This is repugnant stuff and totally reveals your bankrupt morals (even as you try to promote your purity) and lack of any integrity. For those interested in integrity and truth here it is with respect to your specific quote [the complete article: THE RIGHT'S LIBRARY OF FAKE QUOTES follows this.

      || When widely syndicated columnist CAL THOMAS POSTED A COMMENTARY ON HIS WEBSITE (1/15/09) OPPOSING FEDERAL BAILOUTS, HE CITED QUOTES FROM THOMAS JEFFERSON TO BOLSTER HIS ARGUMENT:

      “THE DEMOCRACY WILL CEASE TO EXIST WHEN YOU TAKE AWAY FROM THOSE WHO ARE WILLING TO WORK AND GIVE TO THOSE WHO WOULD NOT”; "It is incumbent on every generation to pay off its own debts as it goes. A principle, which, if acted on would save us one-half of the wars of the world”; “I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them”; and, “My reading of history convinces me that most bad government results from too much government.

      Thomas described these quotes as “ancient wisdom,” which, he said, “is almost always better than what people come up with today. Consider that it became ancient because it was wise.”

      BUT CONSULTING THE WORKS OF THOMAS JEFFERSON AVAILABLE IN FULL AT THE ONLINE LIBERTY LIBRARY, AS WELL AS THE LIBRARY OF CONGRESS’ ONLINE JEFFERSON SITE, ED DARREL OF MILLARD FILLMORE’S BATHTUB (2/1/09) COULD FIND NO EVIDENCE AUTHENTICATING ANY OF THE QUOTES. [See correction below.] As Darrel, whose website targets historical falsehood, observed, “Jefferson seem[ed] oddly prescient in these quotes, and, also oddly, rather endorsing the views of the right wing.”

      NONE OF THE QUOTES COULD BE AUTHENTICATED ON THE JEFFERSON LIBRARY WEBSITE (MONTICELLO ORG) EITHER, which includes the first and the last quotes in Thomas’ column in its list of frequently cited “Spurious Quotations.” ||

      ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

      THE RIGHT'S LIBRARY OF FAKE QUOTES

      Putting words in dead people’s mouths

      By Steve Rendall | FAIR | 4/1/2010

      Abraham Lincoln despised class warfare, Thomas Jefferson detested bailouts and the founders of the nation were all Bible-believing Christians. THESE ARE AMONG THE HISTORICAL “FACTS” YOU’LL LEARN AS A REGULAR CONSUMER OF TALK RADIO, FOX NEWS AND OTHER CONSERVATIVE SOURCES.

      WHILE NON-CONSERVATIVES HAVE BEEN KNOWN TO MISQUOTE HISTORICAL FIGURES TO ADD CREDIBILITY TO THEIR OWN VIEWS, THE RIGHT SEEMS TO HAVE A SPECIAL ENTHUSIASM FOR PUTTING WORDS IN DEAD PEOPLE’S MOUTHS.

      Take what has become known as the “THE TEN CANNOTS,” A LIST REPEATEDLY MISATTRIBUTED TO ABRAHAM LINCOLN. It begins:

      You cannot bring about prosperity by discouraging thrift. You cannot strengthen the weak by weakening the strong. You cannot help little men by tearing down big men. You cannot lift the wage earner by pulling down the wage payer. You cannot help the poor by destroying the rich. You cannot establish sound security on borrowed money. You cannot further the brotherhood of man by inciting class hatred....

      And so on. These words were actually written by William J.H. Boetcker, a conservative minister who published them in a 1916 pamphlet along with some actual Lincoln quotes (Snopescom, 8/19/09). Almost a century and many well-documented debunkings later (e.g., the 1989 Oxford Press book They Never Said It), some conservatives still insist on assigning them to Lincoln.

      The canard is a staple of rabidly anti-Obama right-wing media such as Newsmax, where it has been repeated by columnist Geoff Metcalf (1/20/09) and radio talkshow host Al Rantel (3/1/04). This past summer, a flurry of letters to the editor citing Lincoln’s supposed remarks coincided with right-wing Tea Party demonstrations across the country (e.g., Charleston, S.C., Post and Courier, 8/8/09; South Florida Sun Sentinel, 9/18/09).
      Rush Limbaugh (Rush Limbaugh TV show, 2/19/96) acknowledged falsely assigning the remarks to Lincoln in a 1986 speech he gave honoring the 16th president’s birthday. This admission came four years after former President Ronald Reagan misattributed the quote in his speech at the 1992 GOP convention and the New York Times (8/19/92), CNN (8/19/92) and NPR (8/20/92) ran stories disproving the Lincoln connection.

      Current Republican National Committee chair Michael Steele used to include “Lincoln’s” advice in his boilerplate speech. It was in the pre-published text of his 2004 GOP convention speech, but not in the version Steele delivered; perhaps someone remembered Reagan’s RNC woes 12 years earlier (PR Newswire, 8/31/04). (Steele continues to use the quotes from the “Ten Cannots,” now saying that he learned them from his mother—e.g., Your World, 1/5/10.)

      PUTTING THE FOUNDERS TO WORK

      When widely syndicated columnist Cal Thomas posted a commentary on his website (1/15/09) opposing federal bailouts, he cited quotes from Thomas Jefferson to bolster his argument:

      “The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not”; It is incumbent on every generation to pay off its own debts as it goes. A principle, which, if acted on would save us one-half of the wars of the world”; “I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them”; and, “My reading of history convinces me that most bad government results from too much government.

      Thomas described these quotes as “ancient wisdom,” which, he said, “is almost always better than what people come up with today. Consider that it became ancient because it was wise.”

      But consulting The Works of Thomas Jefferson available in full at the Online Liberty Library, as well as the Library of Congress’ online Jefferson site, Ed Darrel of Millard Fillmore’s Bathtub (2/1/09) could find no evidence authenticating any of the quotes. [See correction below.] As Darrel, whose website targets historical falsehood, observed, “Jefferson seem[ed] oddly prescient in these quotes, and, also oddly, rather endorsing the views of the right wing.”

      None of the quotes could be authenticated on the Jefferson Library website (monticelloorg) either, which includes the first and the last quotes in Thomas’ column in its list of frequently cited “Spurious Quotations.”

      In a syndicated column (Washington Times, 1/25/01), right-wing economics professor and Limbaugh stand-in Walter Williams used purported remarks by Jefferson and George Washington to argue against gun control. Gun control proponents were constitutionally ignorant, Williams wrote, because they didn’t understand the intentions of framers like Jefferson, who Williams claimed once wrote: “No man shall ever be debarred the use of arms. The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government.” That quote can be found in the Spurious Quotations list on the Monticello website.

      Williams also quoted Washington: “Firearms stand next in importance to the Constitution itself. They are the American people’s liberty teeth and keystone under independence.” Five years earlier, after Playboy magazine (12/95) ran a longer version of that same quote, the magazine had to run a lengthy retraction (3/96) that cited George Warren, editor of the Papers of George Washington project at the University of Virginia, who called it “either a complete fabrication or a case of misattribution.” Williams and the Washington Times apparently found the quote too useful to fact check—or to retract.

      FOUNDERS AS ‘BIBLE-BELIEVING CHRISTIANS’

      Over the last two decades conservatives have waged a war on the “wall of separation between church and state,” arguing that the United States was founded on Christian principles by deeply religious men who intended to enshrine their beliefs in its founding documents. As Rush Limbaugh (or ghostwriter Joseph Farah) wrote of the founders in his 1994 book See, I Told You So, “Don’t believe the conventional wisdom of our day that says these men were anything but orthodox, Bible-believing Christians.” The book cited constitutional architect James Madison as saying: “We have staked the future upon our capacity to sustain ourselves according the Ten Commandments of God.”

      IN REALITY, SEVERAL FOUNDERS (INCLUDING MADISON) WERE NOT CHRISTIANS, and Limbaugh’s Madison quote is a fraud, as revealed in FAIR’s 1995 book, The Way Things Aren’t: Rush Limbaugh’s Reign of Error. Furthermore, INDEPENDENT OF HIS RELIGIOUS VIEWS, MADISON WAS A STAUNCH PROPONENT OF SEPARATION, ARGUING IN HIS 1785 ESSAY “A MEMORIAL AND REMONSTRANCE”: “DURING ALMOST 15 CENTURIES HAS THE LEGAL ESTABLISHMENT OF CHRISTIANITY BEEN ON TRIAL. WHAT HAVE BEEN ITS FRUITS? MORE OR LESS IN ALL PLACES, PRIDE AND INDOLENCE IN THE CLERGY, IGNORANCE AND SERVILITY IN THE LAITY, IN BOTH, SUPERSTITION, BIGOTRY AND PERSECUTION.”

      BUT DESPITE CONCLUSIVE DEBUNKINGS, THE BOGUS MADISON PASSAGE LIVES ON, CITED ALONGSIDE OTHER FRAUDULENT FOUNDERS’ QUOTES BY CONSERVATIVES WHO CARE LESS ABOUT HISTORY THAN IDEOLOGICAL EXPEDIENCY. Boston Globe columnist Jeff Jacoby has cited a version of the bogus Madison quote on several occasions, including a column (6/5/00) chiding the ACLU for constitutional ignorance. A version of the “Madison” quote also appeared recently in an op-ed (Tulsa World, 6/30/09) written by U.S. Rep. Sally Kern (R-Okla.).

      One of the most prolific purveyors of bogus founder quotes is Christian theocrat David Barton. Though not a household name, Barton’s tireless efforts to construct a Christian origin story for the United States have been praised by the likes of Pat Robertson and Newt Gingrich (Church & State, 7-8/96). HIS 1989 BOOK THE MYTH OF SEPARATION ATTRIBUTED BOGUS QUOTES TO WASHINGTON (“IT IS IMPOSSIBLE TO RIGHTLY GOVERN THE WORLD WITHOUT GOD AND THE BIBLE’’), JEFFERSON (“I HAVE ALWAYS SAID AND ALWAYS WILL SAY THAT THE STUDIOUS PERUSAL OF THE SACRED VOLUME WILL MAKE US BETTER CITIZENS”) AND PATRICK HENRY (“IT CANNOT BE EMPHASIZED TOO STRONGLY OR TOO OFTEN THAT THIS GREAT NATION WAS FOUNDED, NOT BY RELIGIONISTS, BUT BY CHRISTIANS; NOT ON RELIGIONS, BUT ON THE GOSPEL OF JESUS CHRIST”). BARTON HAS ALSO MISATTRIBUTED THE “TEN COMMANDMENTS” QUOTE TO MADISON.

      IN 1996 BARTON ADMITTED THAT THESE AND NINE OTHER QUOTES HE’D BEEN CIRCULATING IN HIS WRITINGS, VIDEOTAPES AND LIVE APPEARANCES WERE EITHER FALSE OR UNVERIFIABLE (CHURCH & STATE, 7-8/96). But BARTON’S REPUTATION SUFFERED LITTLE FROM THE FRAUD, ACCORDING TO ROB BOSTON OF AMERICANS UNITED FOR SEPARATION OF CHURCH & STATE. “HE’S DOING BETTER THAN EVER,” BOSTON TOLD EXTRA!, NOTING THAT SINCE 1996 BARTON HAS SERVED AS VICE-CHAIR OF THE TEXAS GOP, AND NOW SITS ON THE TEXAS STATE COMMITTEE ADVISING THE STATE’S BOARD OF EDUCATION ON HISTORY AND SOCIAL STUDIES CURRICULUM, “DESPITE NO HISTORY CREDENTIALS.”

      Meanwhile, the bogus quotes Barton helped to popularize continue to make the rounds. In a 2007 column in the far-right World Net Daily (1/29/07), conservative activist and actor Chuck Norris used “Washington’s” passage about the impossibility of governing without “God and the Bible” to argue for teaching the Bible in schools. A Human Events profile (7/1/02) singing the praises of president of the Council on Bible Curriculum in Public Schools used the “Jefferson” quote about the need to study the sacred volume. The “Patrick Henry” quote on the U.S. being founded “on the gospel of Jesus Christ” has been repeated in numerous newspaper op-eds (e.g., Fond du Lac, Wisc., Reporter, 5/1/09; Wichita Eagle, 5/27/06; Columbia, S.C., State, 9/21/04).

      MAKING FAKE HISTORY EVERY DAY

      You can’t expect a culture that conveniently fabricates history to restrict that practice to the distant past. So it’s not surprising to see conservative opinion leaders arguing, contra history, that Nazism is a liberal ideology (Extra!, 3/10) or that government spending made the Great Depression worse.

      Nor is it surprising to see such commentators ignoring facts to distort current events. Witness the trend among conservatives who dismiss global warming science, fantasize imaginary “death panels” in healthcare legislation, or declare Barack Obama to be a Kenyan, a Muslim or maybe even the Antichrist (CNN, 8/15/08).

      INDEED, THE ASCENDANCE OF A BLACK, DEMOCRATIC PRESIDENT SEEMS TO HAVE SENT IRRATIONAL CONSERVATIVE TENDENCIES INTO OVERDRIVE. COMMENTATORS RUSH LIMBAUGH (10/23/09) AND MICHAEL LEDEEN (PAJAMAS MEDIA, 10/21/09) HEATEDLY POINTED TO A SOCIALIST THESIS THEY SAID WAS WRITTEN BY BARACK OBAMA WHILE A STUDENT AT COLUMBIA UNIVERSITY. LIKE ONE OF THE THE FAKE LINCOLN OR JEFFERSON QUOTES, THE THESIS WAS A HOAX (ST. PETERSBURG TIMES, 10/26/09), BUT IT MET THE CONTEMPORARY CONSERVATIVE STANDARD: IF IT MAKES YOUR POINT, RUN WITH IT.

      APPROPRIATELY, UPON LEARNING LATER IN THE SHOW THAT THE THESIS MIGHT BE A HOAX, LIMBAUGH RESPONDED, “I DON’T CARE IF THESE QUOTES ARE MADE UP. I KNOW OBAMA THINKS IT.”

      Sentiment: Strong Buy

    • Re: || The democracy will cease to exist when you take 
away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not."
By Thomas Jefferson ||

      Another great moment for you, dickw. The above is a key quote in your post. It truly is another great moment in the lies and gross distortions that you and your RWNJ pals generate and then latch on to and spread all over the place with no attempt to validate and no concern for the truth and integrity you claim to champion nor with any respect for the Founding Fathers you claim to be quoting.

      Your above quote is just totally fabricated and then sent out to you idiot RWNJs who then send it all over the place solely because you like it for its expedience and convenient fit into your ideology (which it was crafted to do) and with that as the sole criteria all you RWNJs are then just totally ecstatic to never check a God damned thing, integrity and truth be damned though they may, that is ok with you lying maniacs. This is repugnant stuff and totally reveals your bankrupt morals (even as you try to promote your purity) and lack of any integrity. For those interested in integrity and truth here it is with respect to your specific quote [the complete article: THE RIGHT'S LIBRARY OF FAKE QUOTES follows this.

      || When widely syndicated columnist CAL THOMAS POSTED A COMMENTARY ON HIS WEBSITE (1/15/09) OPPOSING FEDERAL BAILOUTS, HE CITED QUOTES FROM THOMAS JEFFERSON TO BOLSTER HIS ARGUMENT:

      “THE DEMOCRACY WILL CEASE TO EXIST WHEN YOU TAKE AWAY FROM THOSE WHO ARE WILLING TO WORK AND GIVE TO THOSE WHO WOULD NOT”; "It is incumbent on every generation to pay off its own debts as it goes. A principle, which, if acted on would save us one-half of the wars of the world”; “I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them”; and, “My reading of history convinces me that most bad government results from too much government.

      Thomas described these quotes as “ancient wisdom,” which, he said, “is almost always better than what people come up with today. Consider that it became ancient because it was wise.”

      BUT CONSULTING THE WORKS OF THOMAS JEFFERSON AVAILABLE IN FULL AT THE ONLINE LIBERTY LIBRARY, AS WELL AS THE LIBRARY OF CONGRESS’ ONLINE JEFFERSON SITE, ED DARREL OF MILLARD FILLMORE’S BATHTUB (2/1/09) COULD FIND NO EVIDENCE AUTHENTICATING ANY OF THE QUOTES. [See correction below.] As Darrel, whose website targets historical falsehood, observed, “Jefferson seem[ed] oddly prescient in these quotes, and, also oddly, rather endorsing the views of the right wing.”

      NONE OF THE QUOTES COULD BE AUTHENTICATED ON THE JEFFERSON LIBRARY WEBSITE (MONTICELLO ORG) EITHER, which includes the first and the last quotes in Thomas’ column in its list of frequently cited “Spurious Quotations.” ||

      ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

      THE RIGHT'S LIBRARY OF FAKE QUOTES

      Putting words in dead people’s mouths

      By Steve Rendall | FAIR | 4/1/2010

      Abraham Lincoln despised class warfare, Thomas Jefferson detested bailouts and the founders of the nation were all Bible-believing Christians. THESE ARE AMONG THE HISTORICAL “FACTS” YOU’LL LEARN AS A REGULAR CONSUMER OF TALK RADIO, FOX NEWS AND OTHER CONSERVATIVE SOURCES.

      WHILE NON-CONSERVATIVES HAVE BEEN KNOWN TO MISQUOTE HISTORICAL FIGURES TO ADD CREDIBILITY TO THEIR OWN VIEWS, THE RIGHT SEEMS TO HAVE A SPECIAL ENTHUSIASM FOR PUTTING WORDS IN DEAD PEOPLE’S MOUTHS.

      Take what has become known as the “THE TEN CANNOTS,” A LIST REPEATEDLY MISATTRIBUTED TO ABRAHAM LINCOLN. It begins:

      You cannot bring about prosperity by discouraging thrift. You cannot strengthen the weak by weakening the strong. You cannot help little men by tearing down big men. You cannot lift the wage earner by pulling down the wage payer. You cannot help the poor by destroying the rich. You cannot establish sound security on borrowed money. You cannot further the brotherhood of man by inciting class hatred....

      And so on. These words were actually written by William J.H. Boetcker, a conservative minister who published them in a 1916 pamphlet along with some actual Lincoln quotes (Snopescom, 8/19/09). Almost a century and many well-documented debunkings later (e.g., the 1989 Oxford Press book They Never Said It), some conservatives still insist on assigning them to Lincoln.

      The canard is a staple of rabidly anti-Obama right-wing media such as Newsmax, where it has been repeated by columnist Geoff Metcalf (1/20/09) and radio talkshow host Al Rantel (3/1/04). This past summer, a flurry of letters to the editor citing Lincoln’s supposed remarks coincided with right-wing Tea Party demonstrations across the country (e.g., Charleston, S.C., Post and Courier, 8/8/09; South Florida Sun Sentinel, 9/18/09).
      Rush Limbaugh (Rush Limbaugh TV show, 2/19/96) acknowledged falsely assigning the remarks to Lincoln in a 1986 speech he gave honoring the 16th president’s birthday. This admission came four years after former President Ronald Reagan misattributed the quote in his speech at the 1992 GOP convention and the New York Times (8/19/92), CNN (8/19/92) and NPR (8/20/92) ran stories disproving the Lincoln connection.

      Current Republican National Committee chair Michael Steele used to include “Lincoln’s” advice in his boilerplate speech. It was in the pre-published text of his 2004 GOP convention speech, but not in the version Steele delivered; perhaps someone remembered Reagan’s RNC woes 12 years earlier (PR Newswire, 8/31/04). (Steele continues to use the quotes from the “Ten Cannots,” now saying that he learned them from his mother—e.g., Your World, 1/5/10.)

      PUTTING THE FOUNDERS TO WORK

      When widely syndicated columnist Cal Thomas posted a commentary on his website (1/15/09) opposing federal bailouts, he cited quotes from Thomas Jefferson to bolster his argument:

      “The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not”; It is incumbent on every generation to pay off its own debts as it goes. A principle, which, if acted on would save us one-half of the wars of the world”; “I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them”; and, “My reading of history convinces me that most bad government results from too much government.

      Thomas described these quotes as “ancient wisdom,” which, he said, “is almost always better than what people come up with today. Consider that it became ancient because it was wise.”

      But consulting The Works of Thomas Jefferson available in full at the Online Liberty Library, as well as the Library of Congress’ online Jefferson site, Ed Darrel of Millard Fillmore’s Bathtub (2/1/09) could find no evidence authenticating any of the quotes. [See correction below.] As Darrel, whose website targets historical falsehood, observed, “Jefferson seem[ed] oddly prescient in these quotes, and, also oddly, rather endorsing the views of the right wing.”

      None of the quotes could be authenticated on the Jefferson Library website (monticelloorg) either, which includes the first and the last quotes in Thomas’ column in its list of frequently cited “Spurious Quotations.”

      In a syndicated column (Washington Times, 1/25/01), right-wing economics professor and Limbaugh stand-in Walter Williams used purported remarks by Jefferson and George Washington to argue against gun control. Gun control proponents were constitutionally ignorant, Williams wrote, because they didn’t understand the intentions of framers like Jefferson, who Williams claimed once wrote: “No man shall ever be debarred the use of arms. The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government.” That quote can be found in the Spurious Quotations list on the Monticello website.

      Williams also quoted Washington: “Firearms stand next in importance to the Constitution itself. They are the American people’s liberty teeth and keystone under independence.” Five years earlier, after Playboy magazine (12/95) ran a longer version of that same quote, the magazine had to run a lengthy retraction (3/96) that cited George Warren, editor of the Papers of George Washington project at the University of Virginia, who called it “either a complete fabrication or a case of misattribution.” Williams and the Washington Times apparently found the quote too useful to fact check—or to retract.

      FOUNDERS AS ‘BIBLE-BELIEVING CHRISTIANS’

      Over the last two decades conservatives have waged a war on the “wall of separation between church and state,” arguing that the United States was founded on Christian principles by deeply religious men who intended to enshrine their beliefs in its founding documents. As Rush Limbaugh (or ghostwriter Joseph Farah) wrote of the founders in his 1994 book See, I Told You So, “Don’t believe the conventional wisdom of our day that says these men were anything but orthodox, Bible-believing Christians.” The book cited constitutional architect James Madison as saying: “We have staked the future upon our capacity to sustain ourselves according the Ten Commandments of God.”

      IN REALITY, SEVERAL FOUNDERS (INCLUDING MADISON) WERE NOT CHRISTIANS, and Limbaugh’s Madison quote is a fraud, as revealed in FAIR’s 1995 book, The Way Things Aren’t: Rush Limbaugh’s Reign of Error. Furthermore, INDEPENDENT OF HIS RELIGIOUS VIEWS, MADISON WAS A STAUNCH PROPONENT OF SEPARATION, ARGUING IN HIS 1785 ESSAY “A MEMORIAL AND REMONSTRANCE”: “DURING ALMOST 15 CENTURIES HAS THE LEGAL ESTABLISHMENT OF CHRISTIANITY BEEN ON TRIAL. WHAT HAVE BEEN ITS FRUITS? MORE OR LESS IN ALL PLACES, PRIDE AND INDOLENCE IN THE CLERGY, IGNORANCE AND SERVILITY IN THE LAITY, IN BOTH, SUPERSTITION, BIGOTRY AND PERSECUTION.”

      BUT DESPITE CONCLUSIVE DEBUNKINGS, THE BOGUS MADISON PASSAGE LIVES ON, CITED ALONGSIDE OTHER FRAUDULENT FOUNDERS’ QUOTES BY CONSERVATIVES WHO CARE LESS ABOUT HISTORY THAN IDEOLOGICAL EXPEDIENCY. Boston Globe columnist Jeff Jacoby has cited a version of the bogus Madison quote on several occasions, including a column (6/5/00) chiding the ACLU for constitutional ignorance. A version of the “Madison” quote also appeared recently in an op-ed (Tulsa World, 6/30/09) written by U.S. Rep. Sally Kern (R-Okla.).

      One of the most prolific purveyors of bogus founder quotes is Christian theocrat David Barton. Though not a household name, Barton’s tireless efforts to construct a Christian origin story for the United States have been praised by the likes of Pat Robertson and Newt Gingrich (Church & State, 7-8/96). HIS 1989 BOOK THE MYTH OF SEPARATION ATTRIBUTED BOGUS QUOTES TO WASHINGTON (“IT IS IMPOSSIBLE TO RIGHTLY GOVERN THE WORLD WITHOUT GOD AND THE BIBLE’’), JEFFERSON (“I HAVE ALWAYS SAID AND ALWAYS WILL SAY THAT THE STUDIOUS PERUSAL OF THE SACRED VOLUME WILL MAKE US BETTER CITIZENS”) AND PATRICK HENRY (“IT CANNOT BE EMPHASIZED TOO STRONGLY OR TOO OFTEN THAT THIS GREAT NATION WAS FOUNDED, NOT BY RELIGIONISTS, BUT BY CHRISTIANS; NOT ON RELIGIONS, BUT ON THE GOSPEL OF JESUS CHRIST”). BARTON HAS ALSO MISATTRIBUTED THE “TEN COMMANDMENTS” QUOTE TO MADISON.

      IN 1996 BARTON ADMITTED THAT THESE AND NINE OTHER QUOTES HE’D BEEN CIRCULATING IN HIS WRITINGS, VIDEOTAPES AND LIVE APPEARANCES WERE EITHER FALSE OR UNVERIFIABLE (CHURCH & STATE, 7-8/96). But BARTON’S REPUTATION SUFFERED LITTLE FROM THE FRAUD, ACCORDING TO ROB BOSTON OF AMERICANS UNITED FOR SEPARATION OF CHURCH & STATE. “HE’S DOING BETTER THAN EVER,” BOSTON TOLD EXTRA!, NOTING THAT SINCE 1996 BARTON HAS SERVED AS VICE-CHAIR OF THE TEXAS GOP, AND NOW SITS ON THE TEXAS STATE COMMITTEE ADVISING THE STATE’S BOARD OF EDUCATION ON HISTORY AND SOCIAL STUDIES CURRICULUM, “DESPITE NO HISTORY CREDENTIALS.”

      Meanwhile, the bogus quotes Barton helped to popularize continue to make the rounds. In a 2007 column in the far-right World Net Daily (1/29/07), conservative activist and actor Chuck Norris used “Washington’s” passage about the impossibility of governing without “God and the Bible” to argue for teaching the Bible in schools. A Human Events profile (7/1/02) singing the praises of president of the Council on Bible Curriculum in Public Schools used the “Jefferson” quote about the need to study the sacred volume. The “Patrick Henry” quote on the U.S. being founded “on the gospel of Jesus Christ” has been repeated in numerous newspaper op-eds (e.g., Fond du Lac, Wisc., Reporter, 5/1/09; Wichita Eagle, 5/27/06; Columbia, S.C., State, 9/21/04).

      MAKING FAKE HISTORY EVERY DAY

      You can’t expect a culture that conveniently fabricates history to restrict that practice to the distant past. So it’s not surprising to see conservative opinion leaders arguing, contra history, that Nazism is a liberal ideology (Extra!, 3/10) or that government spending made the Great Depression worse.

      Nor is it surprising to see such commentators ignoring facts to distort current events. Witness the trend among conservatives who dismiss global warming science, fantasize imaginary “death panels” in healthcare legislation, or declare Barack Obama to be a Kenyan, a Muslim or maybe even the Antichrist (CNN, 8/15/08).

      INDEED, THE ASCENDANCE OF A BLACK, DEMOCRATIC PRESIDENT SEEMS TO HAVE SENT IRRATIONAL CONSERVATIVE TENDENCIES INTO OVERDRIVE. COMMENTATORS RUSH LIMBAUGH (10/23/09) AND MICHAEL LEDEEN (PAJAMAS MEDIA, 10/21/09) HEATEDLY POINTED TO A SOCIALIST THESIS THEY SAID WAS WRITTEN BY BARACK OBAMA WHILE A STUDENT AT COLUMBIA UNIVERSITY. LIKE ONE OF THE THE FAKE LINCOLN OR JEFFERSON QUOTES, THE THESIS WAS A HOAX (ST. PETERSBURG TIMES, 10/26/09), BUT IT MET THE CONTEMPORARY CONSERVATIVE STANDARD: IF IT MAKES YOUR POINT, RUN WITH IT.

      APPROPRIATELY, UPON LEARNING LATER IN THE SHOW THAT THE THESIS MIGHT BE A HOAX, LIMBAUGH RESPONDED, “I DON’T CARE IF THESE QUOTES ARE MADE UP. I KNOW OBAMA THINKS IT.”

      Sentiment: Strong Buy

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      • Elk, your source is a highly suspect left winger.................see below. I am pleased you found merit in the rest of my post.

        Steve Rendall worked as an archivist collecting historical material on the Spanish Civil War and the volunteers who fought in it." Those volunteers were members of the Lincoln Brigade which was organized by the COMMUNIST PARTY TO FIGHT FOR STALIN'S SIDE IN THE WAR..

    • I watched Kruushchev do this on TV and heard what he said. Everybody was offended by it as it was so outrageous ( and childish) for the leader of the Soviet Union to behave the way he did. Dickw is correct about this incident.

    • " Religion - Remove the belief in God from the Government and schools because the people need to believe in ONLY the government knowing what is best for them"

      How true, however Christianity is the One thing progs and govt will NEVER be able to achieve.

    • Re: "So, how do you create a Socialistic State?
      There are 8 levels of control that must be obtained before you are able to create a social state.
      Read the following recipe for it:
      ..................
      7) Religion - Remove the belief in God from the Government and schools ..."

      But dickw, now you are saying the US Constitution is a Communist document since the above is exactly what it does.

      • 1 Reply to elk_1l
      • "But dickw, now you are saying the US Constitution is a Communist document since the above is exactly what it does"

        Coming from a dolt who doesn't even know what the 2nd Amendment entails or means. I am not surprised that ya think the US constitution is a communist document, because ya jes don't understand anything that is America, ya commie dunce. Please elky, compare and contrast the US constitution with communism.

    • Dickw, it would be nice if you got your facts straight, but I guess lies are facts to RWNJ's like you.
      Let me supply the facts for you, since your entire post is nothing but a lie:

      "Nikita Khrushchev's shoe-banging incident allegedly occurred at some point in autumn 1960 (on 23 or 29 September, or on 12 or 13 (October) during the 902nd Plenary Meeting of the UN General Assembly held at the United Nations.
      Some sources claim Khruschev pounded his shoe on his delegate-desk in protest of a speech by Philippine delegate Lorenzo Sumulong. Others argue Khrushchev was responding to the British Prime Minister Harold Macmillan.
      Though all parties are in agreement that Khrushchev was enraged by both Sumulong's and Macmillan's speeches, and loudly denounced them, there are no photographic or video records of the incident available. There is at least one fake photographic depiction of the incident, where a shoe was added into an existing photograph."

      • 2 Replies to keep_investing
      • Keep do you also deny this truth too?

        "The democracy will cease to exist when you take
        away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not."
        By Thomas Jefferson"

        Are you saying this is a lie too?

        WOW!!! the willing blindness of LWNJ's are beyond comprehension....

        JSN

        Sentiment: Strong Buy

      • Keep you are full of --it. You are so biased you wouldn't know a fact if you saw one. You extracted from your source just what you wanted and then twisted it to suit your own feeble mind.
        THE LIE IS ON YOU. If you were any kind of a man you would apologize.

        "Khrushchev pounded his fists on his desk in protest as Sumulong continued to speak, and, as some sources claim, at one point picked up his shoe and banged the desk with it.[14] Some other sources report a different order of events: Khrushchev first banged the shoe then went to the rostrum to protest."
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        "Next day after the incident the The New York Times published an article "Khrushchev Bangs His Shoe on Desk".[16] It featured a photo that pictured Khrushchev and Andrei Gromyko, with a shoe on Khrushchev's desk.[17]

        Khrushchev's granddaughter Nina L. Khrushcheva writes that after years of embarrassed silence her family explained their recollection of the event. According to Nina, Khrushchev was wearing new and tight shoes, so he took them off while sitting. When he started pounding the table with his fist during his angry response his watch fell off. When he was picking it up his discarded shoes caught his eye and he took the opportunity to pick one up and pound the desk with it. She also mentions that multiple versions of the incident have been in circulation, with various dates and occasions.[18]

        Nina's account is very similar to that of Khrushchev's long-time interpreter, Viktor Sukhodrev, who sat with Khrushchev during the event and reported his boss pounded on his delegate-desk so hard his watch stopped, which only infuriated him further and prompted the switch to the shoe.[5]"

    • Re: "Remember, socialism leads to Communism.
      So, how do you create a Socialistic State?"

      Another great point, dickw. And let's not forget the urgent warning our buddy tony gave us because the above move ahead by putting false and traitorous idols into power, like that Communist Paul Ryan:

      ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

      COMMUNIST AZTLAN HISPANIC RACIST CONGRESSMAN LUIS GUTIEREZ CALLS CONGRESSMAN PAUL RYAN “HIS PARTNER” ON AMNESTY. RYAN LOST ALL CREDIBILITY.

      Posted on | November 2, 2013 |

      Go ahead and lets see what happens. Post my email address but not my full name with the text. Use my first name and try POSTING THAT VIDEO of this COMMUNIST MANIAC Rep. Luis Gutierrez ranting to that ATZLAN group about amnesty so maybe a few of Rep. Paul Ryan’s constituents will see who their Congressman is working with on the immigration issue.

      PAUL RYAN was down here in Chicago in APRIL making speeches with Gutierrez on this amnesty push and that was before the traitors in the Senate got started on their Treason.

      CAN YOU BELIEVE THIS!!!!!! IN APRIL 2013 he’s down here conspiring and scheming with Gutierrez!!!!!

      Who knows, maybe you’ll get a few Wisconsin people motivated in addition to some Chicago people. I’m 125 miles south of Janesville, Wisc. where Ryan has his office.

      Thanks Tony

      Sentiment: Strong Buy

    • Subject:Do you remember September 29,1959?

      PART TWO AND FINAL

      8) Class Warfare - Divide the people into the wealthy and the poor. Eliminate the middle class. This will cause more discontent and it will be easier to tax the wealthy with
      the support of the poor.

      How was that for a definition of how to create a
      social state. Sound familiar??

      "Obamacare" = "To insure the uninsured, we first make the insured uninsured and then make them pay more to be insured again so the original uninsured can be insured for free."

      • 3 Replies to dickw3939
      • Dickw - based on what you wrote, and having a two class society. Wouldn't it be better to compensate and ensure a more egalitarian society then? Why do a lot of people work 30-40 hours a week and can not make ends meet and then need and get Gov 'hand outs' just to survive? Isn't this playing exactly into the hands, according to you, of these so called communists? Why don't the 1%, CEOs, Large Business owners share more of the profits with the ones that actually do the day to day work, and ensure that a large middle class continues to thrive? You see where I'm going with this?

      • || 8) Class Warfare - Divide the people into the wealthy and the poor. Eliminate the middle class. This will cause more discontent and it will be easier to tax the wealthy with
        the support of the poor. ||

        Well, dickw, it might be better to get back to focusing on the Communists in our own government who are undermining us, like Paul Ryan. In the above you are overlooking the fact that the Class War was started at least 40 years ago by the wealthy who have been winning the full time and substantially lowering their own taxes the full time also. That and many other advantages they have taken have allowed them to pay hordes of PR manipulators to convince fools like you that they have not been carrying on a vicious Class War all that time even though they have been considerably aggrandizing themselves while brutally choking the poor and the middle classes.

        Sentiment: Strong Buy

    • Please agree ELK it is what you have been copy and pasting for the last 4 years. Have we arrived at this communism that you so adore ELK? Will BHO admit this is his final goal?