I should say that the overall behaviours of MOB
management have improved over the years to their credit.
Considering where they came from in the Alex Massad reign,
they have moved down the road quite a ways. I just
wouldn't go overboard and say in general that they are now
that much different than any large corporate
management team, XON or others. The evidence isn't there.
Some of the behaviors you talk about: never
admitting wrong or defeat, tight-holing information, and
being technically challenged are not just XON
management phenomena. MOB has it too, it just may be a
degree or two less and the communications aspect may be
a bit better. Actually, XON mgmt sounds like MOB
mgmt 10 years ago before the impact of programs such
as E&P's "New Culture". In the late 80's this was an
attempt to build a higher degree of teamwork and openness
led by Paul Hoenmans (E&P leader at the time) but the
results fell short of his expectations. Culture change is
hard stuff, even with some senior level support
because you are talking about changing people's
behaviour, just slightly easier than herding
Your comment on MOB mgmt changing towards the XON mold
may in reality be going back to an old but familiar
pattern for the age group that grew up in a similar
As you well know, not every single XON manager
cannot admit he or she is wrong, and not every single
one keeps all information to him or her self, and not
every single one is technically challenged but
considered him or herself to be the final technical expert
on all matters. Just that most are. From my
experience at XON, this was the norm. Those who did not fit
this pattern were very much the exception - or at
least if they weren't before they became managers, the
system had beat them into the mold before
Again speaking only from my experience, MOB seemed to
be much nearer the reverse - those that fit the XON
mold were in a distinct minority, though they did
still - of course - exist. Your odds of working in a
more tolerable - and even downright enjoyable -
environment could be pretty high.
Check some of the
MOB board comments. It was very usual for MOB
managers to get back from big meetings with important news
and immediately call a group meeting and announce. At
least one got a rather rude wake up call when he came
back from an early merger transition team meeting and
did just that thing. MOB apparently doesn't do that
any more. XON's already beat it out of them. My first
month at MOB, Lou Noto himself came and gave a talk and
took open questions from the general employee audience
(everyone was invited) and answered them all. And some
pretty rude and/or pointed questions were
Come on now PeterParker. Picture the fat man doing
that. You can't, can you.
Now ? The numbers are
VERY small PeterParker. There's one and a half levels
between me and the CEO. Can't really make any
generalizations from so small a sample. But the current lineup is
excellent on all counts.
The bottom line, from my
experience XON is unique in how bad it is, but others share
some of those same traits. Their just not so prevalent
as at XON.
By definition, I could not be Exxon management
because I did, in fact, admit that I made a mistake. Your
experience with Exxon certainly would back that up. Was
management in Mobil significantly different? How about where
you are now? Or does Exxon hold a unique distinction
in that regard?
I can understand that, by
design, you could/should not be involved with CP. It
would be tough to avoid the appearance of using prior
employment's proprietary information. How long does avoidance
of the area last? Is there legal precedence for
I, like you and many others, will get my lumps from
GATT after 1/1/2000.
Also, I am intrigued by
your statement of "but we are more, much more." Please
share more when you can.
If you are planning a vacation in Florida, beware
of a company named Dreamtime Tours. I had a bad
experience with them and I want to pass the word. Dreamtime
Tours sent a fax to my employer (they probably have a
massive fax list) hyping a �special� vacation package for
$299.00, 7 days & 6 nights, land / cruise package in
Florida and the Bahamas. It sounded too good to be true,
but we went for it anyway. As it turns out, the
accomodations were not good, but if you paid extra, you could
�upgrade.� Plus, there were several other hidden charges and
unpleasant surprises. While on the vacation, we talked with
many other people who were also unhappy with Dreamtime
Tours. Bottom line is, when planning a vacation, know
who you�re dealing with and beware of �special
deals.� Don�t let your �dream� vacation turn into a
�nightmare.� Happy Trails!
What is going to happen when Exxon and Mobil do
merge with the domestic benefits offered to gays,
lesbians, etc. at Mobil?
According to the Oct 26,
1999 issue of the advocate..mobil is one of top 25
companies to be gay friendly.
....After san fran
based-based chevron led the way among oil companies in
instituting domestic-partner benefits, Mobil, Shell, and BP
Amoco quickly followed suit. Mobil hed on even after
seven religious-right leaders wrote the the company's
CEO to object tha the company was "subsidizing
same-sex sexual activity"
are really not XON management - you admit making
a mistake !!! (Of course, I know you aren't one,
but with the lines you have been spouting of late, I
would not blame anyone who doesn't know you from
assuming you are).
To your points - I am somewhat
aware of the facility you seem obsessed with in the
state of Washington. By design, however, I do not
actually have any role in that project (though someone you
know does !). My activities are strictly limited to
other areas of technology.
"Petroleum" service ?
Perhaps. That would be part of it, but we are more, much
more. Stay tuned.
Too bad XON has not talked
package yet, isn't it ? How are the GATT changes in lump
sum calculations going to affect you ?? Just before
or just after 1/1/2000 ?
Sorry. Sent the previous message before editing.
Should've said "petroleum service" company. I know which
one it is. We all know which one it is. Even though
you said that you had not been to the state of
Washington, you are well aware of what is going on at Cherry
All employees could get the same percentage
increase on the same date saving some administrative $$$
and lots of supervisor and management time (more
$$$). Of course, the incentive to work and compete
would go away (see communism and labor unions). The
poorest performers would receive the same rewards and
recognition as the best performers. Believe it or not, in
Exxon and Mobil and AT&T and Microsoft, and, and...
there are good and poor performers.
of management flaws (and there are lots of them in
all companies) I'd prefer to hold stock in a company
where top management is agressive, lean and mean. I
hope you didn't dump XON prematurely - I agree with
the postings that XON (XOM) will jump once the merger
is approved and continue to rise as the merge
activities happen and associated savings materialize.