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  • moses_on_wall_street moses_on_wall_street Dec 11, 2011 2:30 PM Flag


    It was Obama!!

    It was Obama that required the Indefinite Detainment Bill INCLUDE U.S. Citizens as part of the wording!

    Well now we know, for those who have been holding out "hope" that Obama will veto the 1031 Indefinite Detainment Bill against holding U.S. Citizens without rights to a trial or lawyer or charges for the rest of their lives.... It was Obama who required the bill have the
    language of U.S. Citizens being held without rights in the bill! The only reason he would veto it, is because it does not give him the absolute power as he wants!

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    • Part 1

      First of all, where does Levin get off of culpability by declaring that the Senate complied with the request of the Administration to include the language subjecting US citizens to inclusion in the Bill? Don’t we have “separation of powers”? And beyond that, what about the US Supreme Court? How can they remain silent when this is CLEARLY unconstitutional? It would seem if we have a bunch of “yes” people that bow down to the Administration it is game over. We are CLEARLY living under tyranny, and the people pulling the strings are the central banks. All one needs to do is note the membership of the Fabian Society and the pronouncements of some of their members, like David Rockefeller.

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      • Part 2

        Further, the infrastructure is now in place to confine large numbers of people. Perhaps Reagan understood this when he closed the mental hospitals in that state. Note that in the OWS movement that mass media talking heads commonly refer to those who protest in these movements as “mental cases”, “kooks” and worse. You can draw you own conclusions as to whether protestors were “plants” putting on an act to discredit demonstrations nationwide and, in fact, worldwide because of the dollar’s “reserve” currency status.

      • The Constitution does not defend itself. Someone with standing will have to mount a challenge, if the can, from possibly somewhere deep inside the American gulag.

        So, ask yourselves this: If the government begins to spirit Americans away to inter them in the bowels of the government's penal system or just to a FEMA camp, ostensibly to rot, have they raised the ante to where armed resistance is now justified?

    • Mr. Obama is our President and a good person!

    • The jackboots behind the screen have done it again. Your topic is essentially shut down.

    • Moses,

      I don't doubt you but do you have a link/source?

    • "on average 5 jobs is lost"

      oh please do share your math. I am interested, in earnest.

      I assume you are against minimum wage laws in the US correct?

    • In my search for the answers to life’s questions, I began taking LSD, practicing Eastern mysticism, saw the great white light and communicating with spirit guides, which today I am convinced were demons. My major at the University of Missouri was “Altered States of Consciousness” and filmmaking. Back then I did not understand the promotion of psychedelic drugs and the counter culture was a mind control war called MK ULTRA.

      In 1980, when I moved into Laurel Canyon and Lookout Mountain in the Hollywood Hills above Sunset Blvd. to produce a number science fiction films, I did not know that Aldous Huxley lived within walking distance of my house several decades earlier and that Timothy Leary was there at the same time I was there. I had hung out with Leary at the Electric Circus on St. Marx’s place in the East Village and we would run into him at exercise gyms.

      What is interesting is that Laurel Canyon and Lookout Mountain was home to a lot of musicians, writers and other people who were allegedly involved in MK ULTRA experiments. Years after I lived there, I read that there was supposedly some kind secret MK ULTRA facility hidden up there.

    • When I read your post, I couldn't help but think of the Raimondo piece "Ron Paul and the Future of American Foreign Policy" at

      It's something that real Americans, not the ill-informed neofascists, will benefit from in these days when peace is bad and war is good.

    • I'm assuming that you are well versed in the history of protectionism?

      You must be a Chuck Schumer supporter

    • The reason that the southerners didn't want to by northern made goods was that they were shoddily made and of inferior quality. They still wanted to do that even with the ever growing tariffs, but the Morill Tariff was the final straw; it raised the Tariff charged on European goods 47%.

      Because they southerners wanted to trade with the Europeans based on quality issues they needed to sell their cotton to Europe.

      By consequence of those realities, your suggestion regarding protective tariffs carries no weight as it entirely disregards the wants and desires of the people, something that all statists are in the habit of carrying out up to and including using aggression and violence to have things their way.

      Additionally, even the Founders were against severe barriers to entry wanting primarily to use the tariffs as well as duties and excises to finance the legitimate functions of the federal government.

      This was actually scripturally based and goes back to when Christ sent Peter out to catch the fish and retrieve a coin from it's mouth to pay the temple tax that Peter had contracted to pay.

      After Jesus and his disciples arrived in Capernaum, the collectors of the two-drachma tax came to Peter and asked, "Doesn't your teacher pay the temple tax?"

      "Yes, he does," he replied (creating a contract).
      When Peter came into the house, Jesus was the first to speak. "What do you think, Simon?" he asked. "From whom do the kings of the earth collect duty and taxes—from their own sons or from others?"

      "From others," Peter answered.

      "Then the sons are exempt," Jesus said to him. "But so that we may not offend them, go to the lake and throw out your line. Take the first fish you catch; open its mouth and you will find a four-drachma coin. Take it and give it to them for my tax and yours."

    • Most of my posts get censored.

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