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  • worffratt worffratt Feb 13, 2006 1:57 AM Flag

    OT/Birdshot Follies

    She described Cheney as "an excellent, conscientious shot."

    "The person who is not doing the shooting at that moment in time is just as responsible and, should be, as the person actually shooting," Armstrong said.

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    • From a subsequent article, quoting the woman who owns the ranch where the shooting took place, and who witnessed the accident.

      I'll admit up front I'm not a hunter, and will stipulate that Cheney is very experienced and knows what he's doing... but this whole "Blame The Victim" thing doesn't really fly with me. It smacks of spin... but I've been wrong before.

      "According to Armstrong's account, she saw the incident from a car while Cheney, Whittington and another hunter, identified by the Caller-Times on Monday as U.S. Ambassador to Switzerland and Liechtenstein Pam Willeford, got out of the vehicle to shoot at a covey of quail.

      As Whittington went to retrieve a bird he had shot, Cheney and Willeford spotted a second covey.

      Whittington came up behind and failed to signal that he was there or announce himself, which is proper protocol for hunters. Cheney, an experienced hunter, fired his shotgun without realizing that Whittington had approached the group."

      • 2 Replies to worffratt
      • As a very long time hunter, I have a number of thoughts on this situation. To my knowledge, I have never fired in the direction of another hunter. However, when hunting in heavy cover, it is easy to have someone move into your firing area without your knowledge. When deer hunting, it is very common to come upon another hunter in the woods. Until the hunter becomes visible, you will likely be unaware of his presence, and could easily fire at a deer that may be between you and the other hunter.

        I have been shot at twice in my lifetime.

        The first time was when I was a teenager, out pheasant hunting with a friend. This incident sounds much like Mr. Cheney's situation. We approached the fields from the woods on a farm tractor path. The path ran along the side of the field, with a little hedgerow of brush between us and the field. As we broke out onto that part of the road, we spotted a man hunting over a dog out in the field about 100yds away. Before we could really react, or call out to him, the dog flushed a bird and he swung on it and fired directly at us. The bird had gained enough altitude so that we were not hit by pellets, but they did spray into the tree limbs and brush over our heads.

        The second time, I was deer hunting up on a ridge line. Down below me, a few hundred yards away, another hunter fired several times. I could hear the bullets, as they came up through the brush over my head. The rifle sounded like a .22, and the bullets were way too high up to be shot at deer. My guess is that he was shooting at squirrels up in the trees. I yelled at him, and no further shots were fired. The hunter also did not come up to see if I was unhurt, and I never saw him.

        It is easy to lay blame on the shooter. It is easy to lay blame on the person who walks into an area of fire. Unless you are there and witness the incident, it is difficult to determine where blame lies. In my first incident, perhaps we were at fault for not watching more closely to see if there were pheasant hunters already in the field, or we should have announced ourselves more quickly. It would be hard to fault the hunter since he was there hunting, and had no knowledge that someone had walked out into the edge of the field. In the second incident, I felt I was without blame, and the shooter was way out of line to be firing up into the trees with a rifle. Rifle shots can carry great distances, and the area I was hunting was not so rural as to be safe for such shooting.

        In Cheney's case, it sounds more like my first incident. One of his hunting party walked away from the group, and then reentered into an area where shooting was possible. Without knowing all the facts, it is difficult to say. It is possible that he was obscurred by deep grass or brush. I think I will hold judgement until we hear a lot more details of how the incident took place. Considering the people involved, I doubt we will hear accurate details. Of course that will not prevent people from lining up on both sides of the issue based on their personal biases.

      • Where did you get that quote from Worf?

        You'll see a lot of nonsense like this (roughly 100-150 yards away) also.

        NEDRA PICKLER, Associated Press Writer

        Armstrong estimated it was roughly 100-150 yards away � and Cheney fired on a bird just as Whittington was rejoining them. She said Whittington was in tall grass and thick brush about 30 yards away, which made it difficult for Cheney to see him, although both of them were wearing bright orange safety vests.

        Bottom line Worf, "This is something that happens from time to time. You know, I�ve been peppered pretty well myself,�� said Armstrong."

        Wear your glasses, (lol)

    • WOW! Cheney's quail hunting accident catches his friend with birdshot in the face!

      Vice President Dick Cheney accidentally shot and wounded a companion during a weekend quail hunting trip in Texas, spraying the fellow hunter in the face and chest with birdshot pellets.

      Cheney really needs to get a refresher course in NRA safety rules, that when you are out hunting, you must not turn around and fire in any direction behind you. The rifle should be always in front of you and your hunting partner should be beside you, and the dogs should also be seen and out of the way of fire.

      This was a very unfortunate accident, and I am sure Cheney's friend, a lawyer, could be thinking about who is going to pay for his hospital bills to reconstruct his face and chest. Cheney did spend the following day with his friend by his hospital bedside. I'm sure Cheney was very upset about what he had done.

      At the end of the day, this could serve as a lesson to all hunters, and it could be a way to promote NRA safety rules to the general public.

      • 2 Replies to pkptrader
      • pkptrader,

        There was a news report that the injured fella had left the hunting party and returned without informing Cheney and others he was back in line.

        Most any damn fool knows when you are in a regimented quail shooting line you announce your return if you had announced your departure.

        Armstrong is luck he did not catch a pellet in an eye. Sounds like the shot was at low velocity due to distance so the injuries are not serious.

        I had to laugh at the article that quoted 28 gage pellets. Now them is some big size Texas quail if it takes 28 gage pellets to knock em over. It meant 28 gage shotgun I imagine.


      • Dont get carried away now. You are acting like Mr. Whittingtons face and chest were blown away. That is not the case. He was hit by some of the birdshot from a distance and was not seriously injured. We dont want an innocent accident blown into something that it wasnt. That just gives the anti-gun nuts something to play on. They grasp for straws anyway.