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  • cicada_muncher cicada_muncher May 16, 2005 11:10 PM Flag

    Hillary Clinton will save America 2008

    Until then, we Suffer under President Bush !

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    • While at the same time, preserving left-wing BS. Way to go Joe.

    • You're perfectly correct. I'm not saying NAFTA is good or bad. I'm simply correcting the record. The administration of George Bush Sr. negotiated NAFTA, and George Bush Sr. signed NAFTA. The right-wingnuts that now are unhappy with NAFTA are trying to rewrite history and claim Bill Clinton is 100% responsible for NAFTA, and that's incorrect. I feel an obligation to counter right-wing BS.
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      So do you also feel obligated to point out that Bush was not 100% responsible for NAFTA and congress passed the bill. I would imagine there were some Dems that helped vote that into law.

      thanks for helping to correct the record.

    • You're perfectly correct. I'm not saying NAFTA is good or bad. I'm simply correcting the record. The administration of George Bush Sr. negotiated NAFTA, and George Bush Sr. signed NAFTA. The right-wingnuts that now are unhappy with NAFTA are trying to rewrite history and claim Bill Clinton is 100% responsible for NAFTA, and that's incorrect. I feel an obligation to counter right-wing BS.

    • So I guess that's your way of conceding that George Bush Sr. signed NAFTA?

    • It's not clear that who signed what at NAFTA's formation settles anything since it was broadly supported at the time.

      NAFTA, again, has failed mostly because of the yuan/dollar peg and China's investment policies. That debacle was certainly not foreseen when NAFTA was started. That failure is why we all have so many new neighbors. In effect Fox in Mexico has nothing to deliver and his successor will be much harder to deal with. But there's not much that can be done about it - Beijing is in effective control. Mexico is now encouraging migration to the US as a safety valve for unrest and a source of remittances. Everyone knows about the downwards spiral that is now US policy for itself as well as the Iraq distraction, so Mexico may hope to inherit some of the US southwest. To the south of the US further left and hostile governments are being generally elected. The administration nevertheless insists on arrogantly asserting power it doesn't have, alienating them all that much more.

      Fortunately, all those new neighbors are generally pretty decent and will become Americans given half a chance. Chintzing badly on schools is not half a chance, however.

    • I bow to your superior intellect, dufus! Executive Order: 12889 signed by William Jefferson Clinton, on Dec 27, 1993

      http://www.clintonfoundation.org/legacy/122793-executive-order-12889-on-nafta.ht
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      George Bush signed the Law, Clinton the Implementation order, after many changes and signed a great deal of other changes that not only made it easy to send the factories outside the US, but infact encuraged US companies to do so. Further more pickle head, what stands today is not the same agreement that President Bush signed. and companies have been going south since Carter was in office, or were they taken by aliens and are being held captive in the Bermuda Triangle?

    • Here you go, pal. Too bad you're too stupid to figure out the difference between signing an Agreement, and signing a law that implements the agreement. See Congress passes laws. That law IMPLEMENTED the Agreement, which Bush had already signed. American LAWS don't affect other countries, see. But a trade Agreement does.

      http://bushlibrary.tamu.edu/photos/photos.php?file=P38667-13.jpg

    • good morning lost it all,

      ignore that piece of garbage, your life will improve.

      have a good wednesday,

    • "How can you accept abortion as routine?" And be against capital punishment.

      yooper

    • It seems to me that nepotism is the way to the top in the evangelical christian movement.

      Oral Roberts' son has been called to do his 'healing', but it didn't help his mother last week. Billy Graham's son has taken over his travelling circus, and Billy's daughter has a ministry of her own for women. Billy's wife is too busy worrying about being judgmental about people with dirty fingernails and unpolished shoes. And dusting the fake plants in front of their manison takes time away from helping the downtrodden.

      The Cyrstal Cathederal also has a new voice of God in the form of what's-his-name's son - (he always reminded me of the Grinch when he smiles).

      Evangalists can save millions at a time, but they've got no time to save one - unless it's a potentate or celebrity.

      BTW: a point of trivia. I had a 1927 Readers Digest, and the #1 Best Seller that month (I think it was August) was 'Elmer Gantry'. I thought it was kind of fun to see.

      The Digest at that time, btw, had no advertizements - it was the size of a thick pamphlet.

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