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  • MaceB MaceB Feb 19, 2008 10:17 AM Flag

    Obama's giving our money away

    A nice-sounding bill called the "Global Poverty Act," sponsored by Democratic presidential candidate and Senator Barack Obama, is up for a Senate vote on Thursday and could result in the imposition of a global tax on the United States. The bill, which has the support of many liberal religious groups, makes levels of U.S. foreign aid spending subservient to the dictates of the United Nations.


    What is your opinion about giving our tax dollars away?

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    • ["Rwandan genocide is a good example. All this public breast beating about what we should have done is BS. Nothing we could have done would have changed that."]

      Bullsh**. Bill Clinton could have taken the lead on this and did not. That slaughter could have been prevented. In fairness to Clinton the UN did nothing as well, and the same could be said for the Europeans. They all saw this event coming and blinked...

    • sq,

      Very excellent posts. But you forget, when dealing with liberals like TJ 'it's the thought that counts'. Never mind that puring American $$ down African rat holes is a total waste when we have enough problems here on our home turf.

    • No, wrong again, if another candidate was spouting off about doubling expenditures on R&D, or increasing minimum wage in step with inflation, or spending $65 billion for health care I would be complaining about them also.

      My point is, and will remain, we need to pay off our own debts before making more. In your little mind you have converted that to killing poor people and fighting wars. I pity you.

    • <I have been complaining about his increased spending in other areas long before this latest bill.>

      Again, you put all of the responsibility on Obama. I think we know who the ignorant fool is. Apparently there are a lot of Republicans who are also interested in helping people that live on less than $1 a day. You obviously are not one of them. You would rather kill people than feed people. But as a jarhead, that's your prerogative.

    • Keep whining, I have been complaining about his increased spending in other areas long before this latest bill. Your accusations are worthless because they are just an attempt to hide your ignorance.

      I have been posting about his plans for increased spending for months. It is not my problem, nor my concern that you suddenly feel the urge to defend his fiscal irresponsibility.

    • <If Hagel was running for President then I would mention him also. Since he is not running for President, is not my state's representative, then I have no need to bring his actions to the board.>

      Yes you do you fraud, because you were insinuating that because Obama is the Democrat, it is HIS bill only. Do you know how many Republicans actually voted FOR this bill? Probably not, you do very little research before opening your mouth. Again, the title of the thread is 'Obama's giving our money away'. Wouldn't that lead the reader to believe that he and he alone is giving America's money away?

    • weewillie08@sbcglobal.net weewillie08 Feb 21, 2008 1:09 PM Flag

      "As for Zimbabwe, same as for other countries, we have to accept that there are some problems we cannot resolve. "

      Joe, Pesident G. Bush is in Africa at this moment as I type. He has, with him, a check from the American taxpayers for 15 Billion dollars to help in the fight against AIDS in Africa. Do you think it's just money down the drain? I know the American people are getting a rebate in the spring for $300 apeace. Do you think that 15 billion should be held back until we know for sure who is going to get it and what they are going to do? Personally, I'm not sure what is happening. I thought maybe George would spend his last year in office dealing with America and it's problems. Joe, what do you think? Is George just wasting time in Africa? Can America afford it at this time in the economy? I would be interested in your opinions. Joe, have a good one.

    • "So please learn to respect people before you mouth off and call them names!"

      When you don't have the facts on your side, you have to resort to name calling.

    • Resorting to childish name calling? How about reading the entire post. I was bringing attention to Obama's multiple spending plans which include Global Poverty and his other expensive plans such as doubling payments for R&D and healthcare.

      If Hagel was running for President then I would mention him also. Since he is not running for President, is not my state's representative, then I have no need to bring his actions to the board.

    • I am not about regime change, per se, if we are honest about it, and do not hide behind the lies of WMDs and nukes and all that other BS. But that isn't what happened in Iraq.

      But you're right, in a culture of corruption, there is no way to eliminate poverty without regime change.

      Oddly enough, though, we have no North Korean terrorists threatening us. So it is more than mere poverty, it is poverty tied to the idea that the poverty is being perpetuated by the U.S. policies. Thus, Muslims living in dire circumstances see their kings riding around in Rolls Royces and holding hands with George Bush. They see that the U.S. wants their oil, and doesn't give a damn if they all starve to death provided the powerful ensure the oil flows. We don't even dare to officially include Saudi Arabia, for example, in the list of nasty anti-democratic nations. So no, poverty alone is only a component of it, not all of it.

      As for Zimbabwe, same as for other countries, we have to accept that there are some problems we cannot resolve. The Rwandan genocide is a good example. All this public breast beating about what we should have done is BS. Nothing we could have done would have changed that. Occasionally countries cannot be saved from themselves, and we have to let the course of history wash forward. Kind of like architecture. Although old buildings are terrific, sometimes they're so far gone you can't do anything but let them fall down, and be rebuilt anew.

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