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  • mirtocap mirtocap Feb 1, 2006 10:55 AM Flag

    Test to see if you have mental illness.

    "The statistics on sanity are that one out of every four Americans is suffering from some form of mental illness. Think of your three best friends. If they are okay, then it's you."
    Rita Mae Brown

    Food for thought if it wasn't you.

    The drug companies devote enormous sums to promoting their interests. They have the largest lobby in Washington, and contribute copiously to political campaigns. Half the FDA's budget for the evaluation of new drugs now comes from drug company users' fees, making the agency dependent on the industry it regulates -- an obvious conflict of interest. The industry also spends lavishly to influence doctors, who write the prescriptions, and medical researchers, who test the drugs.

    Last year drug companies spent more than $8 billion and employed 83,000 sales representatives to woo doctors. They provided them with gifts, meals and trips, as well as another $8 billion worth of free drug samples. The companies fund and thereby influence much of the continuing medical education doctors need to renew their licenses, and they handsomely support the scientific meetings of medical societies, where they hawk their wares and often sponsor their own programs.

    The companies also want to influence researchers who test drugs in human subjects. Increasingly, they are entering into financial arrangements with academic medical centers and their faculties, arrangements that threaten the objectivity and credibility of clinical research. A growing number of drug trials are being managed by investor-owned businesses that are even more beholden to the drug companies because the companies are their only clients.

    Furthermore, in their contracts with academic researchers, drug companies now often insist on controlling how the research is done and reported, and whether the results will even be published at all. Recently, there have been several widely publicized instances of drug companies suppressing research results that were not favorable to their drugs.

    Prescription drugs are not like discretionary consumer products. For millions of patients, they are necessary to health and even survival. Yet, the drug companies often behave as though their only responsibility is to their shareholders.

    It's time to take a hard look at the pharmaceutical industry and hold it accountable. This is particularly urgent now, given the move to add a drug benefit to Medicare. The industry would like to see such a benefit without any new regulation, but that would cause drug prices to rise even faster and hand the companies yet another windfall. Future policy on this and other matters related to prescription drugs should be based on a thorough understanding of the industry's behavior, best achieved through in-depth congressional hearings. We can't think of a more urgent investigative assignment for the Senate Committee on Health, Education, Labor and Pensions.

    Marcia Angell is a senior lecturer and Arnold S. Relman is professor emeritus at Harvard Medical School. Both are former editors-in-chief of the New England Journal of Medicine.
    � 2001 The Washington Post Company
    ***********************************************************

    Just more examples why:

    Prescription drugs, The largest Orchestrated Fraud in human history

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    • "Mirtocap, if you genuinely believe that drugs have done more harm than good, well....there's not much hope for anyone accepting that you are anything short of being absolutely crazy."

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      I think you are wasting your time with him. He has his own personal conclusions and, after he states them, they are axioms -- true without need for proof.

      Take a look at my recent dialogue with him. I may not be the best debater, but regardless of my failings, I think his dogmatic stripes clearly show in that exchange.

      One outcome of involved exchanges with such people, is an outsider looking on may have trouble discerning who is the fool.

      ... best to leave him alone.

    • Mirtocap, if you genuinely believe that drugs have done more harm than good, well....there's not much hope for anyone accepting that you are anything short of being absolutely crazy. Or maybe just the dumbest person that's ever existed. Let me put it this way: millions and millions of ACTUAL clinicians disagree with your rediculous suggestions---and the musings of the few lunatics that you cite--- and recognize drug development as this world's single greatest accomplishment. Furthermore, Merck is among the elite in this success story.

    • There you go again, Mirt..Only now it's 89000 to 130000 deaths caused by VIOXX...Why not make it a cool million? Hey, today I had a fender bender..must have been VIOXX. The sad part is that you appear to actually believe your own bullshit..I'm going to take a guess that you live alone. Tell me Mr. Selective Fact Finder: How many lives have been saved or prolonged by the development of innovative drug therapies from companies such as MERCK? Please, ask your supposed "credible sources" to comment on that!

    • you still did not answer my questions directly on your position on the great things that Merck has done to treat AIDS and river blindness - i am giving you an opportunity to raise yourself above your redundant cut-and-paste unsubstantiated rhetoric.

    • <because that was all charitable, great global citizen stuff.>

      Tell that to the families of 89,000 to 139,000 deaths attributed to Vioxx.

      As for their benevolent nature:

      The �business with disease� as the basis of the pharmaceutical industry. The pharmaceutical industry is a multibillion-dollar investment business that has orchestrated the largest fraud in human history; it promises health, but in fact thrives on the continuation of diseases. This fraud scheme is easily unmasked: Most pharmaceutical drugs are designed to merely cover disease symptoms, but are not intended to cure or eradicate diseases. As a direct result of this multibillion-dollar fraud business, no cure has been found for cardiovascular disease, cancer, diabetes or any other chronic disease.

    • Forget about the semantics of the definitions of infections for now. I want to know about your position on Merck's and others' contribution to the treatment of AIDS and river blindness. And what you think would the case be if Merck and other pharma had not intervened. Parenthetically, I don't think that Merck could possibly have made any profits from its AIDS investment going back to 1984, and certainly not from its eradication of river blindness because that was all charitable, great global citizen stuff.

    • More...
      Abstract � Statistics on Iatrogenic (Science of medicine) deaths
      A definitive review and close reading of medical peer-review journals, and government health statistics shows that American medicine frequently causes more harm than good. The number of people having in-hospital, adverse drug reactions (ADR) to prescribed medicine is 2.2 million.1 Dr. Richard Besser, of the CDC, in 1995, said the number of unnecessary antibiotics prescribed annually for viral infections was 20 million. Dr. Besser, in 2003, now refers to tens of millions of unnecessary antibiotics.2, 2a

      The number of unnecessary medical and surgical procedures performed annually is 7.5 million.3 The number of people exposed to unnecessary hospitalization annually is 8.9 million.4 The total number of iatrogenic (Science of Medicine) deaths shown in the following table is 783,936. It is evident that the American medical system is the leading cause of death and injury in the United States. The 2001 heart disease annual death rate is 699,697; the annual cancer death rate, 553,251.5


      Death by pharmaceuticals:
      Pharmaceuticals kill more people each year than most diseases.
      Death by Pharmaceuticals? - health risks of herbal dietary supplements - Excellent Article by Dr. Duke
      The growing health concerns from mass-media articles are being fertilized by trigger-happy journalists, pharmaceutical manufacturers and promoters, and physicians who know so little about herbs, many of them unfamiliar with the statistic from the Journal of the American Medical Association (JAMA) that prescription drugs are killing 140,000 Americans a year. Herbs (usually through abuse or exceeding recommended dosage) are killing fewer than 100. Where's the truth?
      http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0FKA/is_6_63/ai_78476942

      WHY DO PHARMACEUTICAL DRUGS INJURE AND KILL?
      Because they are fraudulently tested?
      by Robert Ryan, B.Sc.
      According to the United States' Food and Drug Administration, 1.5 million Americans were hospitalised in 1978 alone, as a consequence of pharmaceutical drugs administered to "cure" them. It was also found that some 30% of all hospitalised people suffered further damage from the therapy prescribed them. (1) In the 1990s, studies show that 180,000 medically-induced deaths occur each year in the USA. (2) These astronomical figures are in spite of the fact that a large number of drug damages go unreported.
      http://www.pnc.com.au/~cafmr/online/research/injure.html

      And that is just the tip of the iceberg of why conventional medicine is dismal failure when it comes to infective and degenerative disease.

    • First of all here is my conclusion you responded to:

      My statement:
      Let's face it, conventional medicine has been a dismal failure when it comes to infective and degenerative disease.

      Your response:
      <I doubt that the millions of AIDS patients worldwide who are now alive and living productive, healthy lives or the millions of people who do not have river blindness as a direct result of taking Merck (and other's) drugs (note MRK devised, helped create the distribution process, and has donated the river blindness medication for years now) would agree with your 'dismal failure' comment.>

      First of all do you know what infective and degenerative disease are? Snake bites or bites from blackflies don't meet that criteria and conventional medicine applies. River blindness is caused by parasite spread by blackflies, which breed in rivers and deposit the larvae of the worm onto the person they bite.

      On infective disease, we think in terms of pathogens in the body, not by bites, accidents, gun shots, broken bones, etc.

      Pathogens cause disease

      Microbes that cause diseases are called pathogens. They are specialized to infect body tissues where they reproduce and cause damage that gives rise to the symptoms of the infection. The body fights back by mobilizing its immune system to fight off the infection but modern medicine has also developed many successful treatments to assist the body's natural defenses.

      There are four main types of micro-organisms:

      Bacteria, fungi, viruses, and protozoa.

      Now you figure out how someone gets aids and if it falls into my conclusion.

      Now for the dismal failure of convention medicine.


      Dr. Joseph Mercola � Iatrogenic deaths
      In 2001, Dr. Joseph Mercola indicated that the number of unnecessary medical and surgical procedures performed annually is 7.5 million. The number of people exposed to unnecessary hospitalization annually is 8.9 million. The total number of iatrogenic (the science of medicine) deaths was 783,936. It is evident that the American Medical System is the leading cause of death and injury in the United States. The 2001 heart disease annual death rate is 699,697; the annual cancer death rate, 553,251. By adding for drug errors and medical errors combined, we get another 420,000 deaths or a total of almost 1,000,000 deaths. In addition, Dr. Mercola indicates that Doctors are the third leading cause of deaths in the US, causing 250,000 deaths every year. The largest being 106,000 -- non-error, negative effects of drugs. Details can be found at this Dr. Joseph Mercola site. http://www.mercola.com/2003/nov/26/death_by_medicine.htm

    • I just had frozen shoulder surgery and my doctor said they see heart attachs every day and vioxx is not on the market now and the joint and stomach problems have doubled. He said he has never seen so much joint problems since he has been a surgeon. I took vioxx for several years and wish I had some now. I probably would not be spending every day in thearpy as I am now. The room is full every morning. Arcoxia hurry.

    • "Let's face it, conventional medicine has been a dismal failure when it comes to infective and degenerative disease."

      I doubt that the millions of AIDS patients worldwide who are now alive and living productive, healthy lives or the millions of people who do not have river blindness as a direct result of taking Merck (and other's) drugs (note MRK devised, helped create the distribution process, and has donated the river blindness medication for years now) would agree with your 'dismal failure' comment.

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